www.egoldentrade.com

[flovas]

I was searching for a Whole seller in china. I happen to find this site http://www.tradekey.com which list many different suppliers & Manufacturers world wide. The site let whole sellers list their ads. I came across www.egoldentrade.com The site look really nice but no prices are listed. You have to contact them to get a price on each piece. I have contact them and they have my order and are waiting for my payment. But after spending only a few mins on your wonderful site I see all the characteristics of a scam.

1. They only accept Western Union,
2. The user has free emails account setup.

I can't however find any information on the web of any other person being scammed by them or even using them. A search in Goodle bring up a bunch of listing on Tradekey and comments. Does anyone have any information on this site. I don't plan to complete the transaction but would like to know and make others aware.

[Frazzle]

egoldentrade.com was registered for 5 years, and it's been round for over 6 months. Both of these are signs that the site is legit.

Registrar: XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION
Status: ok
Dates: Created 14-may-2006 Updated 27-jun-2006 Expires 14-may-2011
DNS Servers: NS.XINNETDNS.COM NS.XINNET.CN

Obviously, all the "Prada", "Breitling", "Nike", etc. products are fake.

As you say, the only contact information they offer is free, anonymous email accounts.

AFAICT, they don't actually say what payment methods they accept. If I missed something and they only accept WU, I wouldn't touch them.

In fact, I would only buy something from them if I could pay by Credit Card. But that applies to any online purchases I make.

[flovas]

Thanks for your help

The site really doesn't have any real info on a payment method but I got this email from them once I requested more info.

Dear friend,

We thanks for your enquiry ,which has been well noted.

For 25pieces, price is US$41 per piece,including shipping to USA,if you buy more, we will offer you better price.

pls do the payment for your order as follows western union payment info:

First name: Lian wu
Last name: Feng
City:Fuzhou
Province: Fujian
Country: China

Pls tell us the MTCN after you do the payment and the detailed shipping address.We will arrange and ship your items out after we confirm the payment in 12-24 hours.Shipping time is around 4-7 business days, tracking number will be supplied after shipping.

Sincere hope to do business with you.

Happy New Year.

Yours faithfully.

I am going to offer a payment Via credit card and see what they tell me. I also called WU. The agent asked me if I Knew the person I was sending the money to and once I responded no. He advised me against sending the money.

[Frazzle]

Originally Posted by flovas

I am going to offer a payment Via credit card and see what they tell me. I also called WU. The agent asked me if I new the person I was sending the money to and once I responded no. He advised me against sending the money.

It was nice of the WU agent to warn you.

Please let us know what they say in response to the Credit Card suggestion.

[Nyla]

Originally Posted by Frazzle

egoldentrade.com was registered for 5 years, and it's been round for over 6 months. Both of these are signs that the site is legit.

Normally, I would agree, but there is one small caveat to that rule of thumb. Long life/registrations on certain webhosts does not necessarily demonstrate trustworthiness. It may denote that the hosting company doesn't give a rip if the site is a scam, so long as the hosting bill is paid. Foreign webhosts, particularly, have little fear of being hauled into court by a victim who sues. It's just too costly and difficult to start an international civil case.

It's definitely unusual for a scam site to have a five-year-registration, but it might not be too big of a gamble if the webhoster is known to be scammer-friendly.

Some webhosts are simply difficult to report violations to because they have smaller abuse staffs, they hide or obscure the method of contact for their abuse staff, or there's a language barrier. Some hosting companies seem to be quite spammer and scammer friendly on purpose. I usually try to check into the reputation of the hosting company. Most webhosts are responsible citizens if they've been notified of possible abuse, but some of the Chinese and Russian webhosts have gained an unfortunate reputation for being scammer/spammer havens.

[ransxeee]

I have ordered from egoldentrade.com and the successfully shipped all my items

[ImThaMan]

Sorry for bring this topic back up... I just wanna know wether the thread starter had came to a conclusion or not. I'm also interested in the stuff that they are selling but only for individual purposes... not retail or mass order...

[Entertainer]

Originally Posted by ImThaMan

Sorry for bring this topic back up... I just wanna know wether the thread starter had came to a conclusion or not. I'm also interested in the stuff that they are selling but only for individual purposes... not retail or mass order...

I suggest you make your own opinion by reading the answers and reading http://fraudwatchers.org/forums/view.php?pg=fw_lacoste

[Daneel]

If it's just for personal use I'd recommend finding something more local (usually at least this is even legal, though I don't know about Singapore). Why risk legal problems if it gets stuck in customs? With the shipping costs for just a few items you'd hardly save any money either way.

[ImThaMan]

I am really aware of this sites selling not-original stuff. I can say that I am quite knowledgeable of how mush the original price should retail for. What I am concerned of is that whether these type of websites/people cheat people off the money. And when I say cheat, I meant scamming.

For example, You look at their websites and saw a good looking apparel. You know it is not a genuine product and it is FAKE. But you don't mind getting it because it looks nice or maybe even the person wouldnt mind buying fake nike shoes because it looks almost the same as the original from the untrained eyes. So he decided to buy it. Taking note that he is really aware that the product is fake, he decided to buy it for what ever his purpose. He ordered the fake product and paid a sum of money by money transfer from bank to bank (Western Union or T/T). But the only thing he did not realise is that the product he is ordering does not actually exists and the pictures on the website is only a bait to make the buyer think that he is actually trading his money for the fake shoe. So, in this story, he is a victim of a Scam.

In the end, the China guy gets the money and the buyer didn't get anything in return but lost money instead.


I am not too sure about wether this was what the owner of the website is trying to do or not.


Sorry for the long post.

[ImThaMan]

SOrry for the double post, I dont really know how to edit the previous one.

Obviously, ransxeee is either a representative from that website or he's just someone selfish that wants people to lose money.

I am looking for websites that sell fake stuff like this because I'm currently looking for a brand of shoe which is really difficult to find in my country and even though they have it, they'll cost about US$160 and with limited designs... and I really mean limited. I don't wanna sell it back or what, in that way, I know I'll get into more trouble. I just wanted to buy it because I like the shoe colour and i know that people will know i is fake because it isnt even released yet. I'm gonna use it for skating and you know how much those types of shoe costs. And im aware considering the type of sports I'm doing, the quality of the fake shoe is not the same as the original shoe and will suffer somehow.

All I want is a shoe that I bought from china to be delivered to my door steps.

[ImThaMan]

I guess nobody is trying out this site?

Originally Posted by ImThaMan

I am really aware of this sites selling not-original stuff. I can say that I am quite knowledgeable of how mush the original price should retail for. What I am concerned of is that whether these type of websites/people cheat people off the money. And when I say cheat, I meant scamming.

Originally Posted by ImThaMan

I am looking for websites that sell fake stuff like this because I'm currently looking for a brand of shoe which is really difficult to find in my country ...

All I want is a shoe that I bought from china to be delivered to my door steps.

Originally Posted by ImThaMan

I guess nobody is trying out this site?

There is no distinction between an outright fraudster and someone selling fake branded goods, especially a Chinese based one. They are BOTH stealing what does not belong to them to line their pockets. If you are aware that a site is selling counterfeit goods then you do not need to ask anyone here whether you should be dealing with them, the answer will always be no. Knowingly purchasing counterfeit goods and importing them into your country is no doubt illegal, and you run the risk of brushing with the law of your land.

[Nyla]

And when I say cheat, I meant scamming.

Selling not-original stuff is also a form of scamming. Particularly when the seller does not make it perfectly clear that the buyer is getting knockoffs. Misrepresenting what you sell is just as much a scam as not sending anything at all. Your monetary losses may be smaller, but not always. Particularly when the seller knows that the buyer may end up in legal trouble, get stuck with goods that fall apart, or goods they cannot sell or even get out of customs. In some countries, it's illegal to import fakes in any quantity, for any purpose. In some, it's illegal to import them for resale but okay for personal use under certain quantities.

90% of these sites that sell fakes don't bother actually revealing that on the site. They will happily tell a customer, even when asked directly, that their merchandise is "genuine".

On a side note, I was much amused by the warning on the website.

http://www.egoldentrade.com/index.htm

Caution! WE FOUND SOME WEBSITES COPIED OUR WEBPAGE OR USE THE SIMILAR DOMAIN NAME TO OUR SITE TO CONFUSE THE CUSTOMERS, DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THEM PLEASE, IT PROBABLY IS A SCAM!!

Somehow, I find it pretty hilarious that a site that makes its profits by stealing the look, feel, logos and brand names of other companies has a giant "Ohmigosh, don't steal our site!" warning on the front page.