www.made-in-china.com

Is this a scam? could you possibly answer this in english please? My spanish (or what ever language that is) is not so good

[Nyla]

Originally Posted by CanadianTrader

Is this a scam? could you possibly answer this in english please? My spanish (or what ever language that is) is not so good

If you don't speak Spanish, then it would probably be a good idea to post your questions in the much more extensive English-speaking portions of the forum. I've moved your query out of the Spanish forum.

As to your question, it's not that simple. It's not a "yes/no" question. The site made-in-china.com is a buying portal. It's a lot like Ebay. Some sellers there are honest, some aren't. The site doesn't in any way guarantee or back the people advertising on the site. You're more than likely going to find a few upright sellers and a whole lot of counterfeiters with terrible quality merchandise and a whole lot of non-delivery scammers who will send you nothing but a bunch of lies or maybe some cheap fake Nikes instead of your 100 cell phones. If you don't know what you're doing or how to do basic due diligence or at least a bit of research, you WILL (not might) end up getting scammed.

If you're looking to buy cheap name brand goods (like Nike or Lacoste) or cheap name brand electronics (like cell phones or MP3 players), forget it. Not going to happen. You simply can't purchase real name brands direct from China at a steep discount. There are honest Chinese manufacturers who direct-sell their own brands, and a few that honestly advertise the somewhat gray-area "similar to brand name" merchandise that is manufactured under their own brand name. There are a lot more outright scammers and people who will swear up and down that they're selling "authentic" merchandise when they really mean "looks sort of like the real thing".

More information on the risks of buying from China as well as massive red flags for scams at http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...pg=fw_buychina

[igmellor]

MADE IN CHINA TRADING KELLY HUANG AND LYNN ZHANG I THINK IS HER NAME IS 1 PERSON I THINK THEY LIE TO YOU AND STEAL YOUR MONEY DO NOT SEND YOU THE GOODS SHE TAKES PAYPAL BUT I NEEDED TO GET A REFUND FROM HER AFTER SHE NEVER SENT MT GOODS I ALSO HAVE A SPANISH FRIEND WHO WAS SCAMMED.. HE ORDERED 4 SHOES 1 WAS SENT... HER NEW WEBSITE IS WWW.SCETRADE.COM AND SHE IS CONTINUING TO STEAL PEOPLES MONEY HER MSN JUST ADDED A 01 ON IT AS YOU WILL FIND OUT IF YOU VISIT HER SITE YOU CAN ALSO CHAT TO HER ON HER SITES BUILT IN IM SYSTEM I WOULD CONTACT POLICE IF YOU HAVE NO REFUND IAN UK!

[springman13]

igmellor Please stop trying to ruin kelly's reputation.. she is very nice and is simply trying to run a business just like. I have purchased from both of you and I am extremely happy with kelly because she delivers the CORRECT products very quickly. Also, I have never had any damage to my products or any mistakes in the order. However, You IAN from UK have caused me many headaches... one of which includes having blood on a white shirt and you didnt even give me a refund .... WOW IAN you are the true criminal...

[Daneel]

Just because you have never had any problems with this one doesn't mean that others won't. It's not exactly unusual for Chinese counterfeiters to randomly not deliver when they don't feel like it. Other people have the same right to post their experiences here as you do, please respect that and don't just try to dismiss it as an attempt to ruin someone's reputation with no proof of your own.

Actually, that's not true, he has more right than you. He is posting about fraud on a fraud forum, while you are trying to defend someone who is already in an illegal line of business

[igmellor]

OK 1stly the springman is either kelly or one of her cousins or something I have dealt with her not only me but at least 6 people form this site have had problems with her she has moved websites and changed msn address why? because she is a scammer i have reported her to the chinese police all her items are counterfeit and also not even a good price! if you want a site with good prices go somewhere else i did plus my new supplier doesnt scam me! the canadian idiot or maybe chinese who wrote a reply to me wants locking up to people do not traust kelly or lyn n with your hard earned money she IS a scammer why would i complain otherwise? also i dont sell clothing u idiot i only buy for my own personal use and i sell adult toys actually as my business my other job is working for THE UK GOVERNMENT SO YOU ARE A SCAMMER AND LIAR FULL STOP! STAY AWAY PEOPLE

[igmellor]

thanks daneel she really is a fraudster and she posted that reply herself i believe

[igmellor]

also may i add she is trying to attack me why would someone who i never sold anything to ever before do that? so it is her 100% also if in uk you sell this stuff you go to jail you idiot kelly huang! and lynn zhang both same person also i think i also have 2 friend who were scammed by her an italy man who had a refund claim in paypal and also a spanish man who lost 3 pairs ok nike shoes she only sent him 1 so he was not so lucky! watch pout guys and DO NOT BUY FROM HER OR YOU WILL LOOSE I REPORTED HER TO TRADEKEY SEVERAL TIMES! good luck all

[igmellor]

Originally Posted by igmellor

also may i add she is trying to attack me why would someone who i never sold anything to ever before do that? so it is her 100% also if in uk you sell this stuff you go to jail you idiot kelly huang! and lynn zhang both same person also i think i also have 2 friend who were scammed by her an italy man who had a refund claim in paypal and also a spanish man who lost 3 pairs ok nike shoes she only sent him 1 so he was not so lucky! watch pout guys and DO NOT BUY FROM HER OR YOU WILL LOOSE I REPORTED HER TO TRADEKEY SEVERAL TIMES! good luck all

she has had www.supermonkeytrade.com
www.scetrade.com
www.madeinchinatrading.com from feb 07 to jan 09 her scetrade was open until i reported her so now it looks like its closingalso madinchinatrading has been removed from tradekey so if thats not a fraudster what is ha ha biatch!

Thanks to all of you who post your stories. "Kelly" Just emailed me and told me she accepts paypal. After being scammed so much by scammers, I am really hoping to find a serious supplier and it seems to not be going so well. She emailed me and I told her I needed to verify her company. If you google her website, this website comes in 3rd saying she is a scammer. I say we all do what we can to educate others on this terrible thing that is continued to be done. THANKS 2 ALL!!!

Please give a list of reliable suppliers. This will help too.

[poirot]

Pursegirl2008, we are not a business listing site. Please read the following: http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9822

[kjammin]

Do not go to "made-in-china.com" or order from “Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG)” or “WH HuangChao trade Co.,Ltd” - http://www.xinxinxr.com - All these sites are extremely corrupt scammers and the list is much more extensive than this see -

http://www.firetrust.com/en/blog/chr...-chinese-scams

SCAM 1:

1. You make contact & join - "made-in-china.com" (Miss Wu) they tell you do not order from their site unless you check the company name with made-in-china.com committee first, they have had trouble with sellers (RED FLAG) - they gain your full trust this way.
2. You check a few companies on the made-in-china.com site and you follow their advice, made-in-china.com tell you some are good but oh no some are not – Full of trust you begin communicating with the recommended companies (In my case the ones above) all is friendly and seems legit but the companies are impatient & very eager for a quick response (RED FLAG).
3. You are ready to order with companies that say they accept PAYPAL and small orders or sample orders, but because your order is small to start things off ie:US$350 Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG)) say they won’t accept PAYPAL its only for larger orders, and they want a Western Union payment. The supplier cannot be convinced to accept PAYPAL all sorts of excuses ie: costs them money, takes too long to get funds etc - any legit company will accept PAYPAL (RED FLAG). In my case I didn't see it and I went ahead ... they were good communicators / scammers.
4. Several days later you get an email asking for a larger order because Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) are having trouble with the Chinese Customs and value of the goods, they ask for at least US$600 (RED FLAG), to cover the Customs and then they will send the goods free delivery without delay, I went ahead and ordered more items bringing the total to US$602 all paid via Western Union.
5. A few more days you get a UPS or EMS tracking number emailed with a .jpg image of the tag with your name on it, but look closely at the name text on the tag it is different & looks like it’s been touched up. You check with UPS "No such Item in your name". You email Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) he tells you his dispatch make big mistake send goods to Nigeria but he will fix for you. (RED FLAG)
6. A few more days no reply you contact Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) and he asks for more money so he can get goods through Nigerian Customs to you (RED FLAG) I stopped here and complained to made-in-china.com they came across all strong and righteous asking for my proof of payment and what was ordered exactly etc so they can investigate immediately, 1 day later they advise that Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) had been called to attend their office and they will advise me of result he will be punished etc.
7. A few more days & made-in-china.com email me, all is good Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) have dropped off another package to their office to send to me but they will need US$350 to deliver it from China through Customs etc (RED FLAG) I didn't pay.
8. I go back to Hangzhou Weifeng Electronics Company Limited.(MR. LUIS PENG) and tell him to get the package delivered from Nigeria at his cost since it was his error,"No sorry I have told my people in Nigeria to sell and send me the money" (In reality there are no people or package in Nigeria and the whole operation may even be run by one person in a small room with a lot of fake business names) (RED FLAG)
9. So since I'm already in for US$600 I advise made-in-china.com I will pay the US$350 by PAYPAL, "oh no made-in-china.com are not company won't accept Paypal must be Western Union" (RED FLAG). This time I explode and unleash it on made-in-china.com, they accuse me of not co-operating !! What a joke they get you to explode so they feel good about ripping you off and you are at fault ... man they are good at scamming ... lol
10. I told them that it will be my life mission to expose them to the world via the internet and TV unless they pay to have the package delivered and only when and if they do this it will all be OK & I will gladly pay US$350 by Western Union because I am honest unlike the Chinese.
11. made-in-china.com cease communication they realise they have milked as much cash from me as they will get, they tell me “there is NOTHING I CAN DO TO THEM” ...

Please read the above carefully it will save you from becoming a victim like me I honestly feel that this is a strong indicator as to the standards of Chinese business people. I warn you think very carefully, I got off very lightly if you want to read more about the Chinese way of doing business then see this link for a scam that netted US$26,250 its about 2/3 down the page !!

http://www.firetrust.com/blog/chris/...bsite-in-china

Thanks For Reading (Pass it on to anyone who may be thinking of this)
Ken

SCAM 2:
1. You contact a Chinese company and begin negotiating, they are polite and keen to get a quick order and start a long term business relationship.
2. You order the goods and give them the specifications of the order asking for a sample first before making large order. They agree but will only accept Western Union, stating Paypal only for large order begging you to understand, excuses include – Paypal costs them money, it takes 3months to get funds, etc … any legit company will accept Paypal.
3. So you have ordered by Western Union payment. Big surprise you get an email with a legit EMS tracking number. You check it on the web its all good its left China and eventually arrives in Australia at customs.
4. You either pick up goods from Post Office or they are delivered to your door, you open the package and find a cheap toy not the high end equipment you ordered.
5. You contact the company and they can’t understand what went wrong.
The Chinese have numerous variations of these scams the bottom line is only pay by paypal and even then you may receive an empty or worthless item and since you’ve signed for it paypal may not refund your cash.

[gotawq]

I do not advise to shop at madeinchina.com. Bespredelschiki.Prodavtsy kidayut.Zakazal tablet for $ 170, sent a $ 95-an outdated model. Seller apologizes for alleged wrong packaging or send back, but forward by the buyer. The administration does not protect the buyer, negotiated with the seller. In short they are in tandem, covering each other. Fraudsters in one word.: Упс: