Chinese Import/Export Fake Contract "Guilin" Scam

[capey]

Originally Posted by Whiskyman

I can only post two pictures with the original post so am hoping that I can post some more with this...

The two pictures above are of Wang Kuang, on the left and Kobur Lee on the right. Below is a picture of Paris Long, who is also known as Amanda. I have others but this site won't allow them to be published as the files sizes are too large.

I hope this helps.

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We were also scammed by Mr Wang Kuang of Yolon Trade - Guilin

[Whiskyman]

Everything here is true, I went to Guilin, lured by the lucrative contract, as you see above no goods were sent so where was the problem? Please see my posting elsewhere on this site which gives the full story of how the scam works, http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?p=71618

I have also managed to post a couple of photographs of two of the key men of the organsiations involved. They keep changing the names of the company, but the names I know include;
Guanxi Union, Guilin Union, Guilin Youlian, Guilin Dongxin, Lyon International, Liang Touzi, Guanxi Kangyuan, Guilin Shenjing, Guilin Youlianshiye, Guilin Zho To, Guilin Changlong, Guilin Hua Neng, Guilin Shengwei, Guilin Tenghui, the latest names being Yinglian Universal Trading and Guilin Yolon.

Similar, but less sophisticated scams also operate from Zhengzhou, Xi'an, and now many other Chinese cities. Please remember - if it looks too good to be true then it is...

Said they are importing Brass crafts, i suspected because China is a producer for EVERYTHING how could possibly they want to import Brass crafts from Egypt

Africa for export

[poirot]

Here's the latest:

http://springfieldimpex.com
Springfield Impex Co., Ltd
TEL: +86-773-3959603
867733959603 - 7733959603
info@springfieldimpex.com

Springfield Impex Co., Ltd is a large private enterprise in the filed of the exploitation of the real estate,the investment of the items and so on, and its total asset is more than RMB2,600,000,000.It owns more than 18 filiales,and they are dealing with more than 21 kinds of industries.There are approx.2800 staffs in this group.

REGISTRY WHOIS FOR SPRINGFIELDIMPEX.COM
Expiration Date: 2010-01-08
Creation Date: 2009-01-08
Last Update Date: 2009-01-08
Registrant:
Organization : hehui
Name : hehui
Address : kingofbuildingguilin537
City : guilin
Province/State : Guangxi
Country : CN
Postal Code : 541002

Administrative Contact:
Name : hehui
Organization : hehui
Address : kingofbuildingguilin537
City : guilin
Province/State : Guangxi
Country : CN
Postal Code : 541002
Phone Number : 86-0773-2106310
Fax : 86-0773-2106310
Email : Email sysfan@126.com

[rika]

Hi

You will never know how much I appreciate all these warning. I am a fairly new trader and it is really scary how many fraudsters and scamsters are out there, one has to be ssssssssso careful. Again thank you for the warnings, we have to help each other here, I just received an enquiry from this company.

Rika

[poirot]

A couple more:

http://sjzdingsheng.com.cn
Company: Hebei Dingsheng Import & Export Trade Co., Ltd.
Phone: 0086 3122266084
Fax:
0086 31180930519
Address: 163# Heping Xi Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei, China
Post Code: 050000
Email: dingsheng_2003@163.com
Website: http://www.sjzdingsheng.com.cn

http://wuzhoutrading.com.cn
HEBEI WUZHOU IMP. & EXP. CO., LTD.
Address: 68# Lianmeng Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei Province,China
Tel: 0086-311-66152985
Fax: 0086-21-61294039
E-mail: wuzhou_trading@163.com
QQ: 1069104896
Skype: wuzhoutrading

[poirot]

Yet another one

http://www.hbjyl.com
Hebei Langfang Jinyilong Commerce Co.,Ltd.
Tel 0086-316-8137563
Fax 0086-316-8137563
Mobilephone: 0086-13473668051
Web http://www.hbjyl.com
Add Langfang City, Hebei New Century Street, Second Street, walk
Zip 065000

[nihan]

Originally Posted by poirot

Here's the latest:

Dear Poirot

I get a Mail to the Springfield Impex Co., ltd they are Interested in our Company Product which is $600000 Contract and they want to Invite in China for Signing the Contract they sent us a Invitation Latter but i am in Doubt coz if the BUYER realy Interested to Give a Big order so Buyer want to Interested to the MANUFACTURER company so kindly advices this company if ok or not .

Here is the Details......
http://springfieldimpex.com
Springfield Impex Co., Ltd
TEL: +86-773-3959603
867733959603 - 7733959603
info@springfieldimpex.com

Nihan (India)

[poirot]

Indications are that it's a scam judging from the paragraph I quoted above, and also from one of their message (posted here) sent to a prospect less than a month after the registration of their domain.

[hollyatl]

Originally Posted by poirot

Yet another one

I received a very large order from the above company. We have never done any overseas shipping so I am a little nervous to begin with. Have you had any other posts on this company? Do you think it is fraudulant?

[poirot]

Their site is barely a month old, registered for a single year, and the WHOIS registration details appear incomplete or bogus. That's a couple of red flags.

Domain hbjyl.com
Expiration Date: 2010-03-02
Creation Date: 2009-03-02
Last Update Date: 2009-03-02
Registrant:
Organization : chen yu hai
Name : chen yu hai
Address : he bei lang fang shi
City : lang fang
Province/State : Hebei
Country : CN
Postal Code : 065000

Administrative Contact:
Name : ou zhe meng
Organization : chen yu hai
Address : he bei lang fang shi
City : lang fang
Province/State : Hebei
Country : CN
Postal Code : 065000
Phone Number : 86-0316-8137563
Fax : 86-0316-8137563
Email : Email jyl@hbjyl.com

No concrete detail about the company or it's history can be found on their site.

At present, the company diversified mode of operation, has self-, import and export agent for sale, re-export trade and so on, running a wide range Main Electronics, hardware, machinery, building materials, chemicals, handicrafts, native products, technology, printing, crafts, manufacture and so on. Exports more than 30 countries and regions, one of the main as follows: Asia, Europe, Africa, the Americas and so on.

Those claims would make this a multi-million dollar business yet they can't even afford a dedicated fax line.

[GAFFER]

Originally Posted by poirot

Yet another one

Received inquiry's from this company to purchase a large order of products that we build. 1 million dollars US. So I tried to do the right thing, by asking them what there intended use was? I offered to sell them one of each to try them out, etc. No, this is what they wanted. Well, I'm in business to sell our product. It looked like a scam to me, but I couldn't figure out where they would make any money. Then they sent over a contract, boiler plate normal stuff. 50% down, letter of credit at the bank for shipping date etc. They wanted the contract notorized, I have had to do this often in recent years, so no flag. Went down to the local bank and did that. No, they want me to come to China, and do it in person. Said I was very busy, could they come over here, I would put them up, show them the business. No, not convienent for them. I ended up getting the tickets visa etc. but I stopped at the last second, where do they make money off of this. Is it a scam?

Originally Posted by hollyatl

I received a very large order from the above company. We have never done any overseas shipping so I am a little nervous to begin with. Have you had any other posts on this company? Do you think it is fraudulant?

I too received a very large order from this company. How is it going? They wish me to go over and sign the contract, did you get the same?

[Daneel]

Read some of the links here:
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=10377
The scam is they will ask you for gifts etc... once you are in China. If they keep insisting you travel to China then yes it's a scam.

[GAFFER]

I have just canceled my tickets, I was supposed to leave tomorrow. I have not received a valid business ID from them. I have a call into the US Embassy in China, for more info. They also won't tell me what the NOTARY FEE is. I assume it will 1% of the total order. Which to me is bogus.

[GAFFER]

Contacts are Wang Hao & Alice Du.
They keep insisting that I come over to China to sign the contract. I was on the way and decided at the last moment that it was a scam. I have talked with a few people that do business in China, and the meeting is normal, they like that but the paying a notary fee, no one has heard that. I believe that that is the scam, they won't tell me what the fee is. That must be where they make there money. Hardly any concrete info on there website. So, I don't know for sure, but I am not going over to find out at this time.,

[Daneel]

Thank you, that's interesting. With this type of scam I've only heard them asking for upfront fees as a last resort when someone refuses to travel.

[GAFFER]

Originally Posted by jkefa

This is for the business members of this site - but all can give me their opinion if I'm excessively paranoid & defensive.

I received an email from a company wanting to buy stock from me.
I'm based in Melbourne Australia, and sell premixed coffees - the prospective buyer is Chinese.
They request a price list - I OK this.
They come back with an order of $400k of stock.
I suggest they should buy a sample lot first ~$15k
They are firm - they want $400k... who am I to argue.
I suggest 100% prepayment - they say 50% - we agree on 80%
Now they want me to visit them to sign an agreement.
OK - $3000 for the round trip isn't a lot of $ - but the week spent??? would be OK if my spidy senses weren't tingling.

I've asked for their DUNS#, company registration # ... still waiting.

Is my experience common?
Am I overly cautious? .
I welcome informed comments

jkefa
Maybe we can have a coffee together if you are in Melbourne some time.

Did they mention a Notary fee when signing the document in China? I have had the same type of inquiry. They won't do the contract unless I come to china to personally sign it and pay a notary fee. IF the notary fee is 1% and the amount is 1,000.000.00 that is 10,000.00 out of your pocket.

[poirot]

Apparently, advance notary fees is a tactic that has been used in the past: http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ead.php?t=8713

[GAFFER]

Originally Posted by poirot

Apparently, advance notary fees is a tactic that has been used in the past: http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ead.php?t=8713

Thank you, your website is extremely helpful and very valuable. I learned so much in the last day. These scams are unreal....I still can't believe that they would go through all this trouble.

[Cleform]

I too have recieved order from Hebei Langfang Jinylong Commerce Co. LTD from Lanfang City, Hebei New Century Street, Second Street Walk
Tel 0086-0316-8137513
The emails are from Song Zhiping with a return email address of jylsm88666@126.com

They send a very plain contract with no letter head no address etc. It looks very real and then you get to the part where they want you to pay 50% of a Notarial fee. They have sent me several revisions and wre willing to change anything you want to get the order processed.
They have all the registration numbers etc and can answer most all questions to your satisfaction.

The problem is why would a Company in China buy product from a USA Company that would be several times higher than what the product could be purchased from in China. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Be very careful

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