Chinese Import/Export Fake Contract "Guilin" Scam

[jkefa]

Klase toos... einai pseftes...
krata ta hrimata soo kai pigene sta bouzoukia - ligotera problimata.


jkefa

[mannyv1]

I'm sorry to say I was scammed, everything I have read is accurate in every way. They agreed to our price, invited us to China to sign a contract. They even set you up with a chauffer and escort. All very well presented. We had our meetings, signed the contract. Thats when the scam takes effect - they take you to an art gallery or silk factory to buy an expensive gift for their "chairman". Needless to say, 1 month after our trip they have yet to deposit 1 penny into our account. Of course the risk was minimal from our perspective as no goods ever shipped. But it was an expensive waste of time!

last year i got a big order from a company and they asked me to visit them in china to sign the contract of which they send me a copy the terms very ambigous so I asked them to visit me in my country since they never contacted me. you are not atall over cautious its our duty to know more and more about the company we are going to establish a business relation. ITS OUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT IT IN DOUBTS & RISKS. business deals are OBVIOUS and not doubtful.

Originally Posted by jkefa

This is for the business members of this site - but all can give me their opinion if I'm excessively paranoid & defensive.

I received an email from a company wanting to buy stock from me.
I'm based in Melbourne Australia, and sell premixed coffees - the prospective buyer is Chinese.
They request a price list - I OK this.
They come back with an order of $400k of stock.
I suggest they should buy a sample lot first ~$15k
They are firm - they want $400k... who am I to argue.
I suggest 100% prepayment - they say 50% - we agree on 80%
Now they want me to visit them to sign an agreement.
OK - $3000 for the round trip isn't a lot of $ - but the week spent??? would be OK if my spidy senses weren't tingling.

I've asked for their DUNS#, company registration # ... still waiting.

Is my experience common?
Am I overly cautious? .
I welcome informed comments

jkefa
Maybe we can have a coffee together if you are in Melbourne some time.

this message is to the person planning a trip to Guilin, China BE CAREFUL!!! I was invited to Guilin in May of last year in which I paid my plane fair to visit and they were there to pick me me up at the airport and drove me to hotel, where they paid expenses for accomadations.

I then was scheduled to meet the president and discuss business and sign contract after, that was finalized , I assume everything was valid, UNTIL, I was then asked to go to an art museum to purchase a portrait for the incoming visitor who was set-up to visit me at our company location to verify our company capability and exchange gifts, in which I was informed was Chinese tradition for business.The portrait was $2500.00 it was the ugliest picture you ever seen, I informed them that I did not have the money currently to purchase, even though I had a pocket full of money.

Another lady representative then came and began arguing with me in Chinese saying things I am sure that I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO COMPREHEND.

After, I informed them I was not interested in purchasing they then took me back to my hotel and did not want to take me back to airport the next dAY, UNTIL ,WE FINALLY CAME TO CONCLUSION THAT THEY WOULD.

They never fulfilled their promise of business of the contract but it was very learning experiece that I wanted to share for someone in the future

[ToobaHasan]

Another Chinese company approaching us for the imports for stone decorative items. Following are their details...

http://www.topbying.com.cn
Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co.,ltd.
Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319
Address; 1-2nd floor, 10-11building, longyinyuanⅠZone, No.28, Shijiayuan,
Qixing district, Guilin,
Guangxi Province, PRC.
Post Code：541004

Is this yet another scam?? Does anyone know about them?

[poirot]

Here are the WHOIS registration details:

Domain Name: topbying.com.cn
ROID: 20080603s10011s69479236-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Name:
Administrative Email: ***@aaa.com
Sponsoring Registrar:
Name Server:ns2.xinnet.cn
Name Server:ns2.xinnetdns.com
Registration Date: 2008-06-03 09:06
Expiration Date: 2009-06-03 09:06

Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co.,ltd.
Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319
Address; 1-2nd floor, 10-11building, longyinyuanⅠZone, No.28, Shijiayuan,
Qixing district, Guilin, Guangxi Province, PRC.
Post Code：541004
E-mail: tophowboying@yahoo.com.cn

There is little substance in their web site, just vague claims:

We are a state-owned company with large enterprise of powerful strength, and rich experience, and authorized by the District People's Government and the Administration for Industry and Commerce examination, committed to the international well-known products in the Chinese market. We imported products directly from foreign factory, without intermediate links and get friends’ trustfulness by faith and excellent service.
Since our company has been established, operating authentic brand, keep improving and the pursuit of excellence is our consistently philosophy.

Not a word about how long they have been in business. In fact, for a company that claims to import an incredible variety of products, there is little to back up their claim. I would think China is more likely to produce and export many products topbying.com.cn claim they import.

They claim to be a state-owned company but not a single contact other than those two phone numbers. Sate owned companies would likely involve some connection with the Chinese bureaucracy.

This looks like just another Chinese import scam. They will probably will invited you to China for the signing of documents. They will then ask for various expensive gifts or some advance payment.

According to this thread on Alibaba, Guilin China is a hotbed of this particular scam. Those scam web sites also used Chinese domain suffix (.com.cn).

A Google search turns up hundreds of post that seems to back up that claim.

Did you do business with the following company. If so, what was the outcome?

Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co. ,ltd.
Address: 1-2nd floor, 10-11building,
longyinyuan Zone, No.28
Shijiayuan,Qixing district
Guilin, Guangxi Province, PRC.

Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319

Contact E mail: Sharon at <tophowf6@yahoo.com.cn>

Their Chinese business certification number is 450305000010663 (1-1)

[poirot]

Here's another red flag that points to topbying.com.cn being a fraud.

Guangxi BoYing TradingCo,ltd
Our company is newly established foreign trade company mainly engage in international purchase business. Our sale team is made up of over one thousand of people here. And our sale region covers the south of China, Include Guangxi, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, and part of Shanxi province(over 180 million populations).We are looking for some suitable and high quality products with marketing potentials, according to our business development needs.

Same exact message was used under another company name, also considered a scam:

Guilin HuaNeng (International) Trading Co.,ltd
Our company is newly established foreign trade company mainly engage in international purchase business. Our sale team is made up of over one thousand of people here. And our sale region covers the south of China, Include Guangxi, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, and part of Shanxi province(over 180 million populations).We are looking for some suitable and high quality products with marketing potentials, according to our business development needs.

I recently received request for purchase contract from above company.
But mine was about import for fashion accessory.
I can't believe that the one company imports both stone decorative items and fashion accessory at the same time.

They must be Chinese import scam.

[poirot]

Originally Posted by anonymous

I can't believe that the one company imports both stone decorative items and fashion accessory at the same time.

They must be Chinese import scam.

I agree. Here's the ridiculous list posted on their web site:

Apparel, Luggage? Personal Care? Medical Equipment? Cleaning Equipment
Distribution Systems? Office Equipment? Domestic Appliances
Paper Materials and Products? Visual Equipment? Plastic and Rubber Materials
Electrical, Lighting Components? Electronic Components? Printing, Audio
Entertainment, Education? Food Beverage, Tobacco? Furniture, Furnishings
Service Industry Machinery? Handling, Storage Equipment?
Sports, Recreational Equipment ?Tools, General Machinery? Transport Vehicles

With import scams, the larger the list, the larger the bait.

[ToobaHasan]

The moment we asked them for the references of foreign suppliers they have imported from, they were vanished.

I think Chinese embassy should be informed about these scams.

[AdmirerDr]

Originally Posted by ToobaHasan

The moment we asked them for the references of foreign suppliers they have imported from, they were vanished.

I think Chinese embassy should be informed about these scams.

We have our own office in Beijing - should you require any assistance, do let me know. I will post the contact details here.
Cheers !

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[poirot]

AdmirerDr, it would be preferable that you not post your contact details publicly and use PM instead.

Hi you guys all.

I just got E mail from this company last week wanted to buy about baby products from our company. For the second E mail they're accept our price list and then they want us to send lots of sample to them. Anyone please recommend us what should I do because I do not have expereince about this method. Is that the true company or just spam?

Thank You
Pornthep

The Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co emailed me a contract to buy honey packed in drums. I was already aware about the possibility of the scam once the "buyer" did not present any technical knowledge about the commodity. The buyer sent me a contract to a certain type of honey that is only tradeable in Germany ! Besides, China is the largest honey producer in the world..... 100% Scam.

[Whiskyman]

I am a new user to this site and a quick look through the posts doesn't reveal anything, as far as I can see, about the "Guilin scam".

This is very clever, and took me in, so I speak from bitter experience and personal cost. I am hoping that by posting the details here I am going to be preventing rather then encouraging further frauds, I can only hope that the majority of readers of this site are business people who want to prevent fraud rather than to start them...

It starts of with an approach from a Chinese company to buy your product, a few quick formalities but really you don't have to do anything - just show that you have a product which is suitable for the Chinese market. They place a big order and invite you to China to meet their bosses to sign the contract - as "all" Chinese business is done "face to face".

The names of these companies keeps changing as various victims start to post warnings to others but the names of the companies that I have so far come across, having been in touch with several of the other victims are;

Guanxi Union, Guilin Union, Guilin Youlian, Guilin Dongxin, Lyon International, Liang Touzi, Guanxi Kangyuan, Guilin Shenjing, Guilin Youlianshiye, Guilin Zho To, Guilin Changlong, Guilin Hua Neng, Guilin Shengwei, Guilin Tenghui and many others...

The latest names being Yinglian Universal Trading and Guilin Yolon. My advice to everyone is to treat anythign coming out of China with a considerable degree of caution, as it is not just Guilin where the scammer hang out, also Zhenghou, Xi'an, and many others. It is just that the Guilin scam is particularly clever and likely to take potential victims in more than some of the others.

The scam is more sophisticated than some others as they say that the big boss is not there at the moment but would like to come and visit you after the first order has come through. You sign the contracts and it is suggested that it is customary to buy the big boss a present and this is likely to be a painting as he likes a certain local artist's paintings of the local area which are becoming valuable and famous.

You are then taken to the Guilin Art Musuem, which is actually just a gallery, an impressive looking building, but then in view of the number of paintings they sell it is not surprising... You are recommended to buy a certain artist's painting and take it back home with you to present to the big boss when he comes to visit you.

You have an order in your brief case, you have bought an expensive painting, from a third party company, you are taking the painting home with you - for someone as slow as me I did not see where the scam was coming from, and neither did many others.

When you get home of course the funds for the purchase don't come through and you have difficulty in getting hold of anyone.

I got the painting valued, it may be worth 10% of the purchase price paid for it. One point worth mentioning is that most of these paintings are done by artists who have an association with the Guilin University; may be this is where the brains for the scam came from, who knows? The local Police don't want to know, many have tried to contact them with absolutely no result, the national Police are no better either.

This scam is going on week on week out, hundreds of victims have been had by this, just look at the forum pages on Alibaba to see some of the comments and stories.

I have tried to get the Chinese Embassy in London inerested in this, I have given them dossiers of information from many of the victims, but nothing has happened, all that has changed in the names of the companies in Guilin, but the people are the same Wang Kung, Kobur (Michael) Lee, Paris Long and a number of others.

I am showing below, I hope, photographs of two of the perpetrators, the key men, they are so arrogant about not getting caught that they have no qualms about having their photos taken.

[Whiskyman]

I can only post two pictures with the original post so am hoping that I can post some more with this...

The two pictures above are of Wang Kuang, on the left and Kobur Lee on the right. Below is a picture of Paris Long, who is also known as Amanda. I have others but this site won't allow them to be published as the files sizes are too large.

I hope this helps.

[Nyla]

There's a reference to a similar face-to-face scam in this thread. http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=10377

I've read other accounts of people being wooed with talk of big contracts and potential business being asked to come to China and treat the "owners" of the business to expensive lunches and gifts, only to find that they wined and dined the potential business partners for nothing. This just appears to be a slightly more sophisticated outgrowth of that scam.

Similarly, traditional 419 scams, which don't tend to be based in China, may include requests for "bribes" or "gifts" for imaginary government officials who can help speed up whatever imaginary "business transaction" the scammer claims to offer.

[Daneel]

Thanks for the information. This type of scam has been mentioned a few times on the forum:
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=10377
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?p=64704

A Google search will find tons of similar stories, on Alibaba and other places:
http://www.google.com/search?q=china+guilin+scam

We occasionally have people contact us about these types of situations and I usually point them towards those threads and warn them that if they keep insisting on the trip to China, chances are it's this type of scam they're dealing with.

Just as with 419 scams I doubt it's possible to actually stop them without getting the Chinese police interested, it's more widespread then a few people or a single gang. Education is the only useful way of fighting them.

[anton100]

i am new in this forum and want to warn anybody not to buy
an article on
http:/www.ccsele.com

This site exists about 4 months and the owner is known in internetfraude
matters.
For me this is a proven fraud internetsite.