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[voninahi]

I am from Madagascar.
I am victim of fraud BEIJING WEB
I need you help because I ordered sample of product in web: www.sinoabroad.com (Chinese web), I send 280 Euro wire money by Bank last week.
The seller don't send the order but he ask me extra 125 euro again for clearance custom.
I ask him to send back my money but he can't.
Now, he can't send my order and he can't send back my money.

Please let us know, what is the procedure I can do for this fraud.

[voninahi]

WARNING CHINESE WEB
www.sinoabroad.com

This is fake web, we never receive our order (280Euro).

Mario from Madagascar

[kim_brownk]

These guys are scammers and they have a bad habit of sending emails to sellers and buyers on ebay.
Introducing there cheap products.
I discovered them when last week i had some items for sale on ebay and they sent me an email telling me abou there website which had great products for the cheapest prices i have seen.
Immediatly red flags went off.
then i recieved 3 other emails simmilar from other website owners
when i checked them out i found out that they all sell the same products and their sites are set up the exact same just different names.

I asked one of them to send me some samples and i would pay fro them at this end through my fedex accounts.

they sent me an email back saying that i must order 3 times from them before they will do this.
I am a wholesale importer and i know fro a feacr if a manufacturer or seller wants your business they will send you a sample no worries and usually free but you pay for the freight.

So as soon as i got this lame answer i knew that there was something wrong
then i checked the email address
anyne who gives you a hotmail or other free email address,
are usually crooks.
I know i have delt with them many times
also i sent one of the other email website address an email telling them that
i know that if they do not want to send a sample then they are scammers if they are legitamate they will send a sample
Guess what?
i never heard back from them and i recently got a returned email for that address as saying the mail couldn't be delivered because it was not a valid email address.

So beware of anyone trying to make deals with you and check their email address if it is a free one like hotmail then you can be sure if their prices sound to good to be true
then they proberly are.
Here are the other 2 con artist website addresses

wwwbuy8848@yahoo.com.cn MSN :buy-8848@hotmail.com

www.smdzmc.com MSN: smdzmc999@hotmail.com

www.lguigalley.com

[rocky180]

They certainly are simply put FRAUD at its best. The Chinese Authorities should really think hard on stopping them.

Fraudsters don't always have to win.

I offer my technical services to try and catch them out, but a fluent Chinese person is needed so that we can do something about it.

Justin.

[ThatGrrl]

Please let us know, what is the procedure I can do for this fraud.

Unfortunately, if you sent money by western union or moneygram, that money is lost. Sending money via these methods is like sending cash, it can't be traced. I'm really sorry, but they won't give you your money back. All they'll try to do is take more from you.


@ kim_brownk - many thanks for posting the details of those scammers. They will help others who are searching for info on the same scams.

@ rocky180 - unfortunately the wscammers are notoriously difficult, if not impossible to catch. They use prepaid mobile phones, fake details, anonymous yahoo/hotmail email addresses, and receive money by western union an moneygram, which means, as stated above that it's untraceable.

The best thing we can all do is to post scammer details all over the internet, to warn people about them. By doing this we can deprive the scammers of what they need most - unwitting victims.

TG

[rocky180]

www.surexp.com
www.wduom.com
www.com-market.com

More to be posted as soon as they contact me via Skype and the like.

Furthermore if Western Union is used they do need a valid person to cash the money and as such Western Union should be more rigerous with checks (e.g. passport) which means the money can be traced to a person.

Thanks.

Justin.

[zagan666]

I dont know if the COM-MARKET.com is genuine or not, has anyone actually received any goods from them at all?

[steve64]

Hi, i'm form Grand Cayman and it's not after i've been scammed that i started to look for info about the site sinoabroad.com.
In fact at this very same moment i have them still waiting for some money.
We could lead the Bejin police to them if anybody knows where to reach them or how to reach them.

[zagan666]

Hi, i'm form Grand Cayman and it's not after i've been scammed that i started to look for info about the site sinoabroad.com.
In fact at this very same moment i have them still waiting for some money.
We could lead the Bejin police to them if anybody knows where to reach them or how to reach them.

Hey Steve

I tried to buy a Camera from www.com-market.com, I sent them the money via bank transfer, and thought well, if I am transferring to a bank account, then the money should be traceable...

Well after receiving the notorious Email saying that they need more money from me for "Customs Tariff" I got furious and decided to start poking my nose around... so I contacted the Bank of China... this was their official Email:

Dear Sir/ Madam: Thank you for your E-mail. We would like to explain the questions you ask:We are sorry to tell you that as a bank ,we have no right to interfere the business between you and the beneficiary.According to the rule of BOC, we would not expose any information of our clients' to a third party without legal procedure. Thank you for your interest and trust in Bank of China. Please do not hesitate to E-mail us if you have any questions. Best regards, BANK OF CHINA Customer Service Hotline: +86-10-95566 Date:Jun 1，2007

Might have guessed as much!

Well the "person" I "wired" money to has the following bank details...

Bank Transfer:
BANK OF CHINA BEIJING BRANCH
Address:No.8 YABAOLU,BEIJING, CHINA
A/C holder's name: YAN PING ZHANG
A/C No: 4014208-0188-308222-4
SWIFT code/IBAN: BKCH CN BJ 110

What was your bank address you sent money to, maybe we can start there...

I am angry enough to travel to Beijing and catch the little thief myself...

They have assured me that if I pay the tariff I will get a tracking number...

[FW Admin]

Chinese law (as I understand it) requires anyone who wishes to register a complaint with police, banks, official departments, public utilities, lawyers and so on, that they must do so in person to the relevant department offices (or use a recognised Chinese law firm as an intermediary). They do not accept information that is remotely passed to them in whatever format, and that situation does not look like changing in the foreseeable future.

[zagan666]

Chinese law (as I understand it) requires anyone who wishes to register a complaint with police, banks, official departments, public utilities, lawyers and so on, that they must do so in person to the relevant department offices (or use a recognised Chinese law firm as an intermediary). They do not accept information that is remotely passed to them in whatever format, and that situation does not look like changing in the foreseeable future.:cry:

"Well it looks like a profitable business to be in, all I have to do is go over to China, and set up some dodgey company, with a website, and wait for the orders to come in. And best of all, no-one can touch me!!!!"
:thumbup:

I have Emailed the British embassy in China, Beijing, and we'll have to see what comes of that. I have the registration certificate of the company that supposedly sold me the goods, if anyone wants to check it out email me on:

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Regards

[Tyler]

I originally looked at this on ebay where someone from my country (Canada) was offering a really cheap price on street bike. So "red flag" I contacted them and asked for their phone number. She gave in to me and I called her. She said she ordered items from them before and had no problems. Taking her word for it I figured I would order as well. Before I sent them any money I asked for various information company name, address, phone number etc.....

HERE IS THE INFORMATION I GOT (MAY SEEM LENGTHY BUT EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THESE SCAMMERS)

They called their company: CHINA ELECTRONIC ENGINEERING LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY

And they sent me their official license, export license and the scan of the invoice: (IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS I CAN EMAIL THEM TO YOU.



Dear Friend,

Thank you for your purchase!

Your order has been processed. Please check the shipment info. After you verify the order, we will send you our payment info. The tracking number will be sent to you within 1 day after confirming your payment.
The courier is EMS/TNT/UPS/DHL/FEDEX,you can choice the one that easier for you to get your product. and the parcel needs 7-10 days to reach your address.is there anything change,please email us as soon as possible so that we can send out your porduct to you correctly.

Order ID: 070612-124102
Item:
Product: 2006 SUZUKI GSXR750K6 YELLOWBLACK
Quantity: 1
Condition: New
Price: 2135 EURO
Shipment: 300 EURO
Insurance: 65 EURO
TotalPrice: 2500 EURO

THIS IS WHO I PAID:


Moneygram:
First Name: CUI TING
Last Name: ZHANG
City: BeiJing
Country: China
Post code: 100021
Address: 1705Room Building Nohai dian zhong guanchun BeiJing 100021 China
We will need the following information from you after you have sent the payment:
-Sender's first name and last name
- The Total Account
- The Reference Number



THEN AFTER SENDING THE $2500 EURO IN MONEYGRAM,THEY SENT THIS:

We have received your payment 3327.76usd.I got message from our delivery team , they said the package has been sent out. But It is really a pity that it's held by Custom for a check .

The custom said that the package needs 1164.7usd for tariff.In order to help you to receive your package very soon, would you please pay the tariff ASAP?After we get the payment, we can get the clearence ready immediately and ship the package out for you . Please mail me when you finish the payment. Thanks!

I am so sorry to tell the news to you.They said if the goods will not be paid in 7 days,it will be fined.We don't want to breaking our promise to you.You are our top valued customes.We also want to send the goods to you asap. Would you please pay this time! and next time we give you a better price .


IT GETS BETTER:

dear friend:

we didn't know this fee before,something changed with the chinese custom today,it is an accident.for a discount ,you can pay us 1100usd for the tariff.i will afford the rest for you myself.please finish the payment as soon as possible.so that we can get your product clearence ready and send out to you in time,waiting for your news.

we can't give you any proof that was given by Chinese Custom.Because the Chinese Custom just called our company to notice for the tariff.Now we only can give you is the copy of invoice that was opened by Beijing's Government.


best wishes to you and your family!

Mike

website:www.sinoabroad.com

email/msn:sinoabroad@hotmail.com


WHY I SENT THE ADDITIONAL MONEY AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW!!!!

THEN THEY SENT ME A TRACKING NUMBER BUT THE ITEM IN THIS TRAKING NUMBER HAD ALREADY BEEN DELIVERED.

dear friend:

yes,your product have been sent out today,we have get your product clearence ready today.here is the tracking number i get from the delivery team about your pakage. EA907208398CN ,Please give us the feedbacks as soon as possible after you have received the products. thanks again for your order,and welcome for your next order,we will bid you a good discount with your further order,and won't be any custom fee anymore.

HERE IS WHERE I DREW THE LINE:

dear friend,

i just got the news for our delvier team.the shipment fee for motocycle have been changed higher,so please send us 368usd ,then we can affect the shipment for you in time.

THEN THEY SAID THEY CAN'T REFUND THE MONEY:

dear friend:

as i said ,we can't refund your money .

THEY EVEN SENT ME PICTURES OF THEIR WAREHOUSE


SO, HERE IS ONE OF THE LAST EMAILS:

dear friend:

no ,we can't.you finish the payment then we will affect shipment for you immediately.or your will lose both your money and your bike.

SO TO SUM ALL THIS UP. I TOOK THE ADVICE OF A EBAY SELLER AND HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD HAVE NEVER SENT THEM ANY MONEY IF I DIDN'T TALK TO Ashley Dawn Rosnok (I CAN SEND YOU HER NUMBER IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO HER).

WELL IF ANYONE WANT'S TO GET ON A PLANE AND GO TO 1705Room Building Nohai dian zhong guanchun BeiJing TO FIND THESE SCAMMERS, I'M WILLING TO.

TYLER














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[xitzco]

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