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horgen

3 July 2006, 23:16

http://fujiyama.en.alibaba.com/trustpass_profile.html

This company seems to be safe, doesnt it?

Saturn Girl

4 July 2006, 02:37

Why is half of their name (Shenzen) Chinese and the other half (Fujiyama) Japanese?

The Ip on their webpage points to Korea.

They may be legitimate but I would advise great caution in dealing with them. Alibaba is noted for a large number of scammers.

Nyla

4 July 2006, 03:35

Personally, I would have to hear just how thorough this "Authentication and Verification procedure" is and a bit more about the "third-party credit-reporting agency" is before I could comment much further. The description of Huaxia Credit seems very thorough and on the up and up, but I would be interested to know what their "verification" involves. It might be worth contacting Alibaba in order to see what the verification actually checks.

The website, http://www.fujiyama.cn, does appear in Google, the website seems to be done on a professional level, there are a few outside links to it, the contact information seems to match up on Alibaba and on the site. I don't see anything odd about the domain listing. I cannot competently comment on the name itself, but I beg to differ on the IP address. The IP 221.238.193.219 is China, so far as I can tell.

IP: 221.238.193.219
Country: China
City: Tianjin, Guangdong

Country Code: CN
Currency: CNY [China Yuan Renminbi]
Private IP? No
Known Proxy? No

The phone number 86-755-83660077 appears to be a landline.

nformation on phone number range +86 755 XXXXXXXX

Number billable as geographic number
Country or destination China
City or exchange location Shenzhen, GD
Original network provider*

So does the fax number, +86-755-83661300.

I see nothing in the listing or the website itself that makes me particularly wary of the company. However, if they were to ask you to pay by insecure method, such as Western Union or Moneygram, or asked you to front a large amount of money or merchandise, that would be a bit of a red flag. As with any business deal, if you do not feel you can sufficiently confirm the trustworthiness of a company, proceed with caution and take measures to protect yourself or find another company that you can feel confident about. Credit card payments are much more secure and offer far more consumer protection than WU or MG, which are quite nearly as insecure as mailing cash, and most legitimate companies are set up to accept international credit cards or other, safer alternatives to WU or MG.

Taras aka saint_dj

11 July 2006, 13:05

when you will buy something from this company. please let me know ok?!
i will buy too if your deal will be ok

chinatrade

14 July 2006, 02:35

I am new to Fraudwatchers.org and thought I would join in order to give you feedback about Shenzhen Fujiyama. Before joining ChinaTradeAuditReports.com I did visit the Shenzhen Fujiyama office in Shenzhen (downtown) in order to evaluate some of their products. I can't say whether or not they will deliver your products or not but they did have a physical location and I did meet the owner. He told me that he is from Taiwan and his grandmother speaks Japanese (I would assume as part of the Japanese occupation) so that is why he used the name Fujiyama.

I did not visit their manufacturing site as I did not have time and I cannot be certain whether they are a manufacturer or a reseller/agent. Their product showcase area had both flat-screen TVs and some smaller items like iPod speakers, Bluetooth headphones etc.

I think they had roughly 4 salespeople and the owner at that location. Compared to some of the other companies I have visited in the past they seem relatively legitimate.

I believe I have the contact information for both the owner and the salesperson. If you contact me I might be able to find their business cards.

Best of luck and safe sourcing,
China Trade Audit Reports
5570 Florida Mining Blvd Suite #403
Jacksonville FL 32257-3256 USA
E-mail: customerexperience@chinatradeauditreports.com
Web: http://www.chinatradeauditreports.com

purple

14 July 2006, 13:43

hi is company safe how do i find out as i wont to buy off them
http://www.alibaba.com/company/50042667.html
http://www.sz-cyjd.com/

FW Admin

14 July 2006, 16:14

@Chinatrade: Thank you for your post, and I hope your offers of help in this regard are free of charge to the end user.

Please confirm that this is in fact the case, otherwise it will be deemed as advertising and the post appropriately edited. FraudWatchers has a no commercial advertising policy within the forums or main pages of this site.

I would state that FraudWatchers have no affiliation to ChinaTrade or his company/services, and we do not endorse such in any way. Users and seekers of any potential business partners who wish to avail themselves of Chinatrade's paid services should exercise all necessary caution and effect due diligence accordingly.

Daneel

14 July 2006, 17:09

Chinese companies are a bit more complicated to research than in most countries. With China the problem is usually the quality or counterfeit brand goods rather than simple fraud. At FraudWatchers we try to help people avoid various types of internet fraud, but doing detailed due diligence on behalf of companies is not what we are here for. You will probably get better answers from one of the individuals and companies who specialise in doing this for a fee. Here is one other I know about:
http://tonyinspection.blogsome.com/
As FW Admin stated, we do not endorse any particular such commercial alternatives.

chinatrade

15 July 2006, 03:15

Sorry for the indirect advertising via the signature. I have updated my profile to reflect the sites policies.

I don't have the business card of the owner any longer but below is the information I do have on the company. I would recommend that you check into the company more since I cannot guarantee their reliability. All I can say is that they do have a physical location in downtown Shenzhen. Also, never pay 100% upfront via T/T and when possible inspect the goods before shipment. I am sure it has all been said on this forum before.

Good luck and if you have any questions you can e-mail me as per the above contact details.

Jenny He
Fujiyama Technology Co. Ltd.
Address: Room C-E, 8F, Shangbu Mansion, No. 68 Nanyuan Road,
Futian District, Shenzhen, China
www.fujiyama.cn
www.fujiyama.en.fujiyama.cn
TEL:86-755-8366-1700
FAX:86-755-8366-1123
MOB:86-138-2878-2425
MAIL:jenny-fujiyama(at)126.com
info(at)fujiyama.cc
MSN:jennyhe12(at)hotmail.com

Note: Replace (at) with @ symbol. addresses "munged" simply to prevent them being harvested by spammers/scammers.

FW Admin

15 July 2006, 09:19

Thanks for clarifying, chinatrade, and welcome to FraudWatchers. We appreciate the information contained within your posts.

chinatrade

16 July 2006, 23:07

One last update for you as I found some further documentation collected during the visit with contact information on it:

Chine Office: Same as listed above

Hong Kong Office: 7/F Kin On Commercial Building, 49-51 Jervois Street, Sheung Wan, Hong Kong, Tel: 852.2152.7388 (2152.7399)

Factory Address: 32nd District, Baowan East Road, Free Trade Zone, Zhuhai City, Guangdong

Hope this helps and I think that is all I have outside of a printed (via printer) catalog from them. If you need info from that you can contact me at customerexperience [atmark] chinatradeauditreports.com.

Unregistered

18 July 2006, 15:56

when you will buy something from this company. please let me know ok?!
i will buy too if your deal will be ok

Has anyone bought from them as I'm next in line?

chinatrade

20 July 2006, 08:32

Has anyone bought from them as I'm next in line?

Unfortunately, that is all the information I can provide as I did not make a purchase at that time.

Best of luck and safe sourcing,
China Trade Audit Reports
5570 Florida Mining Blvd Suite #403
Jacksonville FL 32257-3256 USA
Web: http://www.chinatradeauditreports.com

chinatrade

23 July 2006, 05:09

I was able to find the business card of the president of the company:

Michael Lin
President
Mobile: 8885 0488
Tel: 86-755-8366-1700
Fax: 86-755-8366-1123
michael[at]fujiyama.cc

Address same as the above.......

Good luck and safe sourcing,
China Trade Audit Reports
5570 Florida Mining Blvd Suite #403
Jacksonville FL 32257-3256 USA
Web: http://www.chinatradeauditreports.com

Flak MD

1 August 2006, 16:48

Have made the order from Them...

And then they got my money... i still hear nothing from them...

****en Scammers...

Unregistered

2 August 2006, 13:21

i want to make a trade with them so if you were scammed please give details

John Fairheart

2 August 2006, 16:32

Flak MD,

As the previous posted has stated, it would be worth while bringing evidence of the fraud to light, rather than keeping it to yourself. If you are a victim of a crime this information can help many people avoid the scammers.

Unregistered

3 August 2006, 10:34

please respond, are they scammers?
did anybody dealt with tem?

Unregistered

4 August 2006, 06:22

They are scammers. I sent my money to them and they never sent me anything back, they do not answer their emails....
Dont waste your money and time.

fujiyama_

4 August 2006, 12:01

i found this forum i think to late, and i sent some money,
right after things didn't look bad, means i could contact them via trade manager
they said that the shippment will take place a day after,
so, now i'm waiting and i'll keep you all updated
i saved most of our trade manager discutions, so' i'll post everything as a proof both ways, if i'll be or not scamed
and i think this is the right way to avoid the scammers
please if there are other people that did any kind of business with them post it here,

Fujiyama_watcher

4 August 2006, 12:16

was to late when i found this forum, so i sent some money,
now i'm waiting for the shippment,
my feeling is that i'll loose the money, but will see in few days,
any way i'm happy that i found this forum and at least we can help the others not to be scammed,
i'll post an update regarding the transaction, and from now on will make sure if they are scammers or not,
i saved all the exchanges(trade manager talks) as a prove, and i think that in most of the cases this is the best way to prove anything,
also a good thing, if you get scammed is to post all over and use all the time their name(company) associated with the word scam, or scammed.....,
so we'll try to stop them to scam another people,

LemonCorp

4 August 2006, 22:34

I really can't imagine that they are not real.

Who is your contact person?

I saw you answered at the alibaba forum right now.
You should not be worried if you made the payment yesterday.

Unregistered

9 August 2006, 16:35

So are they a scamers or not?
Did anyone got something from them?

Fujiyama_watcher

9 August 2006, 18:08

as i said before, i'll keep updated,
so, they sent the package they provided a tracking number, i shold receive it in 2 days,
so, they seem to be ok,

chinatrade

14 August 2006, 06:53

Thanks of behalf of the community in advance for the updates.

-China Trade Audit Reports

RAFAL

14 August 2006, 08:14

So did you get your order?

:)

Fujiyama_watcher

15 August 2006, 10:52

i received the package, and i can say that i was very well impressed,
i'll place another order today :)
i'll keep updated,

Rob

15 August 2006, 18:47

I had a closer look onto the website and I was not impressed.

Check out the following "products":

http://www.fujiyama.cn/product.asp?lei=45&id=587
http://www.fujiyama.cn/product.asp?lei=45&id=547
http://www.fujiyama.cn/product.asp?lei=45&id=548

I think most of you know the name of a product that looks very similar, it's the apple ipod. Especially the pic in the third link looks way too close to the original.

The worst attempt has been done with this "product":
http://www.fujiyama.cn/admin/images/d/2006530162052_d__id.JPG

I've made a google image search for ipod-shuffle and got this:

http://i.afterdawn.com/v3/news/apple_ipod_shuffle.jpg

It's completely the same, for some reason, someone has doctored the copy a bit, you can still see the blurs.

One more reason not to trust these offers:
http://www.fujiyama.cn/product.asp?lei=45&id=580

I've bought exactly the very same product last week in a supermarket here in Germany. Have a look onto the specifications: Asf is a streaming-format. How on earth should a cheap, portable mp3-player be able to play streaming formats? Where should the stream come? And: What's the point of shipping a rather low-cost Item like this one all the way from China to the other end of the world?

Nyla

16 August 2006, 16:26

Is it my imagination/my computer's imagination, or is the site suddenly non-operational?

I'm sure they were fine examples, Rob, but the site seems to have gone missing altogether.

FW Admin

16 August 2006, 16:29

I get a message saying "No web site is configured at this address." so I think it may either have been pulled by the hoster or the "company" have done a runner...

Rob

16 August 2006, 16:46

weired, sites on chinese servers normally don't disappear that quickly.

RAFAL

17 August 2006, 08:10

...what is wrong with this website? Or maybe company...

Rob

17 August 2006, 23:39

Just a hiccup.

David Lott

18 August 2006, 06:13

Unregistered

11 December 2006, 04:16

Hello!
I came across this site from reading some questions people have about Fujiyama.

I have been trading with them for well over a year now and I have had no problems with them. Sure, paying via Western Union is a pain in the ***, but I get the products I want and they come in a pretty timely manner.

Of course, you will see that there are a number of items on the site that are very close to looking like some of the products we have in the west, but there are always slight differences with their products.

They have a mobile phone that is practically IDENTICAL to the Vertu,,, but the back is different.

All of the products I have gotten so far have been really top quality, and even though I dont buy large amounts, I have spoken with them and arranged so I may purchase very small amounts like 1 item at a time.

They do not ask that you buy huge lots all the time, and they are very flexible in their options for buyers.

Hope this helps!!

Jonny

if you need more info please email me at jonny_holden(atmark)hotmail(dot)com

Unregistered

11 December 2006, 10:03

Hey Jonny,

Where are you from? How long does it take to ship the goods from China to you? Just wondering about getting something for Xmas!

Nyla

11 December 2006, 19:40

Pardon the extreme skepticism on my part, Jonny, but I would like to point out a few facts that people should consider when weighing the value of your post. The post was made anonymously, by an unregistered user, using a free, anonymous email address, which leaves little chance of satisfactorily identifying the real identity of the poster. The IP address of the poster appears to belong to a company that provides satellite internet access in various foreign markets. Though the company is a UK one, the poster may not be located in the UK at all.

Paying through Western Union leaves the buyer with absolutely NO consumer protection. Zero. It is like handing over cash in a transaction with a private citizen. If you do not receive goods, your only choice is to take the matter to court. Given that this seller is in China, and that Western Union is not a traceable payment option, that would be a costly and perhaps impossible option for an order gone wrong. You could expect to spend a lot of money and recover none.

Displaying badly altered pictures of products that you obviously do not carry and obviously do not manufacture is not acceptable. Regardless of whether the product is "almost like the real thing" or not, it is deceptive and a violation of copyright to use, for example, a picture of Apple's iPod shuffle on your website in order to advertise your "clone" products. Having products "almost like we have in the west" is not the same as carrying those brand name products. If someone sees a picture of an Apple iPod, they expect to receive that product. If you order these clones, the warranty, parts and service are also not going to be the same. You obviously can't take a clone of an iPod to your nearest Apple store and ask them to work on it or replace the battery, in the event of a problem.

There are still some quite questionable business practices at work, here, some consumer protection issues outstanding, and some definitely good reasons to steer clear, even if the poster has indeed been doing business with the company for more than a year without incident.

Unregistered

11 December 2006, 22:28

<unnecessary full quote removed>
Hello Nyla,

I didnt sign up to the website because I didnt think that I would be visiting it again. My IP address points to Blueyonder/Telewest. They are a cable tv/internet provider based in the UK. I am located in the UK, pretty close to Liverpool. As I am not part of any big company or official body, there is no way to identify me except to add my email address *which yes,,, it is a free one* to your MSN contacts and speak to me there to see that I am, *NOT CHINESE* I get no freebies or anything for stating that Fujiyama is a decent company.

I recieved an email from someone who saw my post on this site and wanted to know more... here is what I wrote...

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Hi Danny
There is a lot of hype about people sending money to China, only to find that their either dont recieve the goods, or the goods they recieve are fake. China probably has the biggest percentage of bootleg goods in the world.
I have been in contact with Fujiyama for the past year or so and have always found their products to be of a pretty high standard.
You will see on their site, there are a number of products that have a striking resemblance to many products we have over here in the west, but their prices are extremely low. This gets the old paranoia working over time. Is it real? Is it stolen? Am I being scammed? There are a lot of people who are out to make a quick 'buck' and manage to scam a large number of people before they realize whats happening.
Fujiyama on the other hand dont. The products that you see on the site are their own manufactured products. No where on their site do they state that it is the actual product. However, they DO sell OFFICIAL Ipods and also one of their Nokia phones is also official. They sell copies of the Ipod and Ipod shuffle also, but this is pointed out on the site that they are copies. It is down to the customer wether they wish to purchase either a copy or the real thing.
Fujiyama accept payment via Western Union and Bank Transfer. This is a complete pain in the *** because you have to pay a little extra just to send the money to them. When I first started doing business with China, I was very unhappy about sending money via WU and Bank transfer because it was always costing me that little bit more that sometimes I wasnt sure if I could make a decent profit on any of the goods. Over time, I have learned that these are they best payment types that Chinese business can accept internationally because Paypal charges Chinese businesses a lot of money to recieve payment. Sometimes this can be 50 times as much as it would be over here. Using WU and bank transfer is like paying cash. Its quick, easy and usually very simple.
They also accept COD *Cash On Delivery* as a payment option. This is set up to protect you, the buyer, and to also give you that peace of mind that you only have to pay when you have recieved the goods. This type of payment is usually only for their older customers who they have developed a good rapport and decent credit with them.
Like I said on the little thing I wrote, Fujiyama is a company that sells in bulk. They usually deal with companies that can purchase a large amount of product each time they order. When I started out, I didnt have that kind of money to throw about, especially when I was dubious about sending the money to China in the first place. I added one of the sales advisors to my MSN contacts list and started to talk to her and ask quastions about the company and how they run things. I would ask them the same questions quite a few times in different ways over the period of 2 months or so, just to verify that their story was true. Once I had decided that I will deal with the company, I asked them if it was possible for me to make small orders of like 1 product each time, just to see how the process went and to see if I was scammed or not. After that, I managed to strike a deal with them where there was no minimum order for me, I could order 'samples' of their products (meaning one or two products) each time I ordered. This suited my business and also my pocket.
If you want to know more about the company and how it runs then add one of the sales advisors from the site to your MSN list and question them like I did. Dont make it too brash and obvious that you are interrogating them, just make it look as though you are running regular conversation.
My contact was <A href="mailto:erica-fujiyama@hotmail.com">erica-fujiyama@hotmail.com</A> She has since left, but the address is still in use and is now used by my new contact Cookie. hehehe. Please tell her that you got her address from me and that you would like to find out more about the company and the deals they can offer you.
 
I hope this information helps you, and If you need anymore information about doing business in China, then dont hesitate to contact me.
Cheers mate Jonny </DIV>

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So, as you can see, even I had (and to an extent still do) my doubts about using WU as a form of payment, but like I said, you can continually order very small amounts like I do and so, if you lose any money, It will be a very small amount. Throughout my year of dealing with Fujiyama, I havent lost any money because of them.

***OOOHHHH***
Another thing, like in the email I wrote, Fujiyama do sell OFFICIAL IPODS as well as their own manufactured players. They do have similar boxes for their own products, but once again, they have quite a few features that will identify them as not original. Also, nowhere on the site does it say that their 'copy' ipods are original...

If you want to ask me anything more about this, then please dont hesitate to email me *Email address removed by moderator and if you are so bothered about thinking I am chinese or not in the UK then email me and I will provide you with my home phone number so you may check me out.

Hope that clears some things up......

Jonny

Nyla

12 December 2006, 08:08

Even if your IP indicated that you were in China, that still would prove nothing whatsoever in relation to the trustworthiness of your endorsement. I assume the company may also have customers in their own country.

I simply want to remind people who may be thinking of placing an order that your endorsement doesn't change the fact that customers will be engaging in what is essentially a cash transaction, with no consumer protection safety net built in, little legal recourse in the event of a problem, and the fact that this is a company that displays pictures of products produced by Apple to advertise their clone products, which is mildly worrying. Using badly altered photos is a bit shoddy, and using misleading photos from a competing manufacturer without their permission would be widely considered unethical. A successful manufacturer should be able to afford to hire someone to take pictures of the actual product and should not be using photos taken from other websites.

For a direct consumer looking to buy a unit or two, the risk would probably be unwise. With a bulk buyer, we would advise the same thing we always do when referring to Chinese companies. Your options at that point are to physically visit the operation yourself, find someone you personally trust who has dealt with the company, or risk an order with money you can afford to lose. Anonymous opinions are more compelling in bulk. Hundreds of references to successful or unsuccessful dealings would be a fairly undeniable pattern. Unfortunately, we don't have that.

At present, when researching the company, I find less than a handful of essentially anonymous publicly posted statements that customers received orders to their satisfaction, and that at least in the short term, the quality was acceptable. And there is at least one apparently dissatisfied (and also anonymous) customer who received nothing. That thin evidence equals neither a ringing endorsement nor a round condemnation. Your experiences are just that. Your experiences.

Or to draw a parallel, my father once owned a model of car that was widely considered a terrible automobile. Most people thought it was a piece of junk, it had very low customer satisfaction ratings, and it did not last long on the assembly line. Yet, my father kept that car for 17 years, racking up well over 100,000 miles, never had a moment's trouble from it, and in fact, sold it to a young woman who drove it at least another 5 years without major incident. His personal experience didn't make that model of car a good choice for every car buyer, though.

Unregistered

12 December 2006, 16:38

True, these are my experiences. I just thought I would post them up as a little good sign towards Fujiyama. All in all, it is like this when dealing with any company in China, you have just got to trust your instincts. If you feel like something will go wrong then dont bother working with them. Sometimes, gut instincts are right, and sometimes, they are wrong.

All the hype being thrown around about people thinking that EVERYTHING in China is bootleg and fake doesnt really help the real businesses much either.

So, like I said, it is down to the customer wether they want to deal with them or not. I have given my experiences to show that I have had no problems as of yet, there is not much more I can do. Basically, you either want to do business with them or you dont. Its simple as that.

Thanks for reading.

Jonny

Frazzle

12 December 2006, 23:48

Jonny, your advice is bad.

Relying on a "gut instinct" is fine when trying to choose a hairdresser or a new hat.

It is NOT fine when trying to choose a new car or a company in China to deal with. Where there are issues that the average person can't assess for themselves (e.g. the trustworthiness of a Chinese company, or the state of car's piston rings), then choosing one at random on "gut instinct" is inviting disaster.

All the hype being thrown around about people thinking that EVERYTHING in China is bootleg and fake doesnt really help the real businesses much either.

I don't recall anyone in this thread saying that everything in China is bootleg. However, I do recall people pointing out that THIS COMPANY DOES ADVERTISE FAKE PRODUCTS FOR SALE.

Curiously, the website no longer advertises any IPods -- neither real Apple ones nor fake Fujiyama ones. The links earlier in this thread don't go to the pages they describe. Yet you say
However, they DO sell OFFICIAL Ipods.... They sell copies of the Ipod and Ipod shuffle also, but this is pointed out on the site that they are copies.

One question that is bugging me is: Why? Why did you feel the need to post a great big long email on a thread that hadn't seen activity for months? Do you seek out discussion threads on all the companies you trade with and add your tuppence-worth? Or has Fujiyama been outstandingly good to you in the deals you have done with them?

Unregistered

19 December 2006, 11:50

Does anybody know Polymath International and Kingsun in Shenzhen ? Have anybody bought anything from them ?

scammers or not ?
any good or bad experience with these companies ?

thank you.

COMIPSSA

28 December 2006, 02:28

Hello
I bought from this company before knowing this website.
My experience is that I sended the money via WU and receive a confirmation email of the sales person telling me that will be shipping in 1-2 days. Is been a week and I cant keep in touch with her or anyone at this company.

I guess is something wrong with the comunication because an earthquake.
In a few days will give you a confident reply of your post.
For my sake I hope is just matter of bad communication.

regards

http://fujiyama.en.alibaba.com/trustpass_profile.html

This company seems to be safe, doesnt it?

COMIPSSA

3 January 2007, 02:11

So I send the money via Western Union to the person named in the website and now I have the product :thumbup:

Quality is good, great shape and the memory of 2gb is really of 2gb. The USB works.
Im ready to put another order.

Hope this can be useful to you.
regards

Unregistered

30 January 2007, 09:20

Hi,
i have just tryed to order with this company, payed on a friday recieved a tracking number by mondy. The only problem was that the tracking number was invalid.
I just tryed logging on to msn to chat with my contact and within 3 mins she went offline. So i did a scam search on google which brought me to this forum, from the informative posts placed here i managed gain another contacts deatails and the president of the companys email.
I added the other contacts details and managed to speak with her on msn, and what do you know it hey presto my original contact came online to speak to me. She has said that UPS returned the package because they thought there were copies inside so she'll have to send the goods again today, im sorry bla bla bla.
If the company is real it looks like there are sales people in the company ripping people off. Well ill wait for my order and let you know if i recieved my goods!

Daneel

30 January 2007, 15:05

I don't know about this company specifically, but that a salesperson scams customers without the company's knowledge is not unheard of. The salespeople frequently use free, private email addresses, and the management do not have much oversight either way as they often do not know English very well. This can be avoided by only paying through company bank accounts, not personal accounts or Western Union.

Unregistered

8 February 2007, 14:34

so whats the conclusion? this cause im about to buy 5mp3 players there. I got this szfujiyama@hotmail.com contact person in my msn list anyone experience with him? is it really safe?

Daneel

8 February 2007, 21:03

You can read the topics on the Alibaba forum here for some guidelines on how to deal with China:
http://resources.alibaba.com/discussion_board/110/due_diligence.htm
The easiest way is probably to get someone in China to help you out, for a price, especially if you have no experience in business or international trade:
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/17109/List_of_Chinese_Helpers_verify_source_inspect_and_or_report_ .htm
Verifying Chinese companies is not something we're good at here, it's not easy unless you're Chinese. All I can say is they do not look like typical scammers.

decoy

20 February 2007, 21:36

So did you get your order?

:) are you polish?Fuijama istnieje i nie oszukuje czy wrecz przeciwnie?

Serdadu

2 March 2007, 08:41

so whats the conclusion? this cause im about to buy 5mp3 players there. I got this szfujiyama@hotmail.com contact person in my msn list anyone experience with him? is it really safe?

well i made an account here ,, ive ordered 6 mp4 players total costs of 246$ now just wait what happens:) ill keep you guy posted