HIGH FRAUD ALERT Dada Cha ELECTRONIC Co.,LTD aka Deal with trust

[Unregistered]

HIGH FRAUD ALERT Dada Cha ELECTRONIC Co.,LTD
Dada Cha ELECTRONIC Co.,LTD AKA Deal with trust (Contact MSN henrynba1@hotmail.com and remondtom@hotmail.com)

BE CAREFUL FOR SELLER KNOWN AS Guangzhou ps3plaza Trade Company. Their sites include www.dealwithtrust.com. This website and its seller are FRAUDLENT even though they are listed on www.tradekey.com as Silver Trade Member DO NOT DEAL (http://www.tradekey.com/profile_view/uid/458105/Dada-Cha-ELECTRONIC-Co-LTD.htm). He takes your money and not only not send you any goods, he tells you that there is stock and when you send the money he pretends that it ran out and tells you to wait, he never replies ever again. Their listed address and company are fake, there is no such place (see company profile below) in China and the contact number is fake. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY. Search his details on Google as I will be posting warning on all major sites to shut him down. His website is www.dealwithtrust.com. DO NOT BUY YOU WILL LOSE YOUR MONEY. Western Union have been notified and his details are HIGH FRAUD ALERT.

His Western Union details as:
First Name: Ping
Last Name: Chen
City: Putian Fujian China

Their Company Profile
Contact Person: Mr. Henry Barry (CEO)
Company: Dada Cha Electronic Co., LTD.
Address: 587 Meihua Putian Fujian China
Zip/Postal: 58984
Telephone: 86-0594-6119033
Fax: 86-0594-6119033

THEIR CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS IS remondtom@hotmail.com (Remond) and henrynba1@yahoo.com (Henry) DO NOT DEAL WITH THEM – BLOCK IT

[Unregistered]

Hi,
I was goin to buy handbags from a company called Brand Streets their website is www.brandstreets.com. They have just emailed me with theire western Union Name Ping Chen etc.. details are the same details as you have show for Dada Cha Electronic Co Ltd. Is this the same company?

[Frazzle]

Rule 1: NEVER pay by Western Union.
Rule 2: ALWAYS pay by credit card.

BrandStreets operates from numerous anonymous email accounts. Practically, speaking, you have no idea who you're dealing with. The fact that they have several email accounts suggests that they expect to lose one or more.

Their website was registered with fake/anonymous information on Jan 4th for the minimum period of one year. All of this indicates possible fraudulent intent.

Presumably, to be asked to pay by WU, you've actually submitted an order, and had some kind of email conversation with them... there are no prices on their website. Even when you submit an order, there's no price. What kind of a business does that?

BrandStreets is possibly a different scammer from Dada Cha (they at least have different phone numbers) but that's irrelevant -- they're still almost certainly a scammer of some sort. At best, you will get illegally made copies of the brand-name goods that they advertise. At worst, you will lose your money.

[lorry]

Hi,

I have just purchased handbags from the above website www.brandstreets.com . I paid by western union and they have not delivered my goods but keep giving me excuses. I think i have been scamed. Is there any way I can get my money back.

Help.
Lorry

[FW Admin]

Hello Lorry; I'm truly sorry to hear that you have been scammed by these criminals.

Unfortunately, payment by Western Union is like leaving a bag of cash in an alleyway for someone to pick up. Please read this link for an insight into the way Western Union Operates:

http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2564

Because it's virtually an anonymous collection method, it is impossible for anyone paying by such means to get their money back. That's why it's the scammers' favorite method of payment.

One thing to watch out for are emails arriving in your inbox purporting to be from an official or governmental "agency" claiming that they can recover your money - this is just another scam, and would probably be initiated by the same criminals that stole from you.

[Unregistered]

i would like to know if brandstreets.com comes through with the goods. i was looking forward to doing business with them but I don't think so now.


does anyone know if www.nike-sport.com is legit?

[Unregistered]

BEEN TALKING WITH LISA OF EASTERNPARIS.COM (THEY ARE ALSO CALLED JIANGSU INT'L FASHION ON TRADEKEY. ANYONE KNOW WHO IS LEGIT & WHO IS NOT?

[Unregistered]

HELLO. IS GLOBALSOURCES.COM GOOD?
OR ARE THEY LIKE TRADEKEY? ANYONE CAN PAY FOR POINTS?
THANKS,
E

[blc]

is trade key a reliable/legit site?

are there any way to make sure that a site is legit?

does any one know of any reliable wholesalers that sell chlothing?

thanks bc

[Conny]

Lorry,

Who did you deal with and how long ago did you Western Union the money?
Received no tracking number?

I am afraid that once you read threads here you will find that the money is gone UNLESS it has not been picked up yet.

[Nyla]

HELLO. IS GLOBALSOURCES.COM GOOD?


The Help and FAQ sections says they have both free listings (anyone can register for these) and paid listings, which they refer to as "ads". Since anyone with money can purchase an advertisement, appearing on the site may not mean a business is legitimate. It may just mean someone purchased an advertisement.

They claim "Global Sources verifies information published here via regular supplier visits." They do not define how they verify the information, exactly, who verifies it, or how "regular" their visits are.
The company has been around for some time, and appears to be respected in Asia. http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/technology/2000/0428/grandaddy.html

Just at a glance, I would say the site looks far more thorough in its verifications than Alibaba or Tradekey, but If you want further detail about how thorough they are in verifying suppliers, you would need to ask the company directly.

There doesn't appear to be a points system on this site at all.

is trade key a reliable/legit site?

Tradekey is a legitimate trade directory, as far as we are aware. It is not set up for the sole purpose of scamming people or listing scam businesses, if that's what you mean.

If by "reliable" you mean "is it always okay to deal with companies listed in this directory", then, no. No trade directory can completely guarantee that you will have no problems dealing with the merchants on their site. Tradekey is fairly up front about what services they offer and what services they don't. The fact that they don't offer a guarantee of any kind is pretty plain. The ratings system is much like Ebay's. It can certainly tell you a lot if a user has a highly negative rating, but a neutral or even a positive rating is no guarantee.

There is no 100% foolproof way to tell if a website is legitimate. Particularly when it is new or nearly new. There are some very good and professional looking fakes out there. You cannot rely on a website alone. You need to do further research before dealing with a merchant or trade site.

We cannot endorse or recommend individual wholesalers.

[Barry]

I bought 24 pieces of Fendi and Hermes bags from www.brandstreets.com. I received these 24 pcs bags in 8 days the quality is very good and shipping is fast. i am repeating the order to them now. They normally take 2 days to ship out the goods. bascially I don't think they are reliable and trustworthy accroding to my own experience.

[FW Admin]

Barry; first you say that "the quality is very good and shipping is fast" and then you say "bascially I don't think they are reliable and trustworthy accroding to my own experience" - which is it? Or did you not research your "testimony" properly before posting it?

Anonymous endorsements and testimonies should, in virtually all cases, be treated with the highest suspicion - especially if they are for a "company" that is almost certainly a scam. As has been said before - the more the criminals try to vindicate their scams, the more evidence it becomes to confirming it is a fraud.

"Barry" is based in China. That in itself speaks volumes I believe.

FraudWatchers do not endorse or recommend any company at any time. We look at the facts and available data, and give our opinions based on our expertise and the available information to us. We do not expect anyone else to make recommendations or endorsements for the same reason.

[gameyaad]

I ordered $5640 worth of goods in December 12, 2006 and have not received them all now! They do by the name of Bapshoes CO, Ltd. and they have several emails:

ordersneaker2006@hotmail.com
sneakerstore2006@hotmail.com

I sent the money Via Wire Transfer to china is their anyway to track them down and get back my money?
Name: Jianhui Li
Address:Wen Xian Road No.933, Cheng Xiang Qu, Putian City, Fujian Province
Tel:0086-159-60546933


Oh! They are on EC21.com and all they have to do as I found out is pay to get membership Gold status!
Name: Bill Li
Address:Wen Xian Road No.889, Cheng Xiang Qu, Putian City, Fujian Province
Website: www.ordersneaker.com
Tel:0086-159-60546933

[Nyla]

I sent the money Via Wire Transfer to china is their anyway to track them down and get back my money?

Probably not, even if by "wire transfer" you mean a bank wire. You can try reporting the fraud to your own bank, but there's a very good chance that you will not have your money returned. I can only recall one victim stating that their bank returned the money they had transferred to a Chinese bank account, and as I recall, that was a complaint made very shortly after the money was sent, within a few days. It's possible the money simply hadn't been completely transferred at that point and that's why the bank was able to return it.

Still, you should notify your bank, to see if anything can be done. It would also possibly prevent the bank from making transfers to the account for other potential victims.

If it was Moneygram or Western Union, there's zero chance of getting your money back. This is a cash transaction. There is no identifying the criminal, they do not confirm the receiver's information, so it's probably fake, there are no refunds for being scammed. Again, though, you should notify the company that did the wire transfer. A pattern of fraud may cause them to stop future transfers.

[gameyaad]

Hell I have learnt my lesson. So from now on samples first then big order. And even then I can be scammed!

[Unregistered]

I ORDERED 2,000 DOLLARS WORTH OF HANDBAGS AND WALLETS FROM BRANDSTREETS AND RECIEVED THEM ABOUT 10 DAYS LATER AS FAR AS I HAVE SEEN THERE LEGIT BUT THAT DOES'NT MEAN THEY ARE ALWAYS
HONEST AND AFTER READING ALL THIS STUFF I PROBABLY WON'T TAKE MY CHANCES AGAIN

[Unregistered]

DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TRENDSHOPPE

[Nyla]

I assume you mean trendshoppe.com. If so, the likelihood is very high that this site is either selling copycat or counterfeit merchandise, or not delivering any merchandise at all. Selling "copycat" merchandise is something of a gray area, but some sites do this and make it quite plain that you are buying clothing simply modeled after certain brand names, as they should. Others hide their disclaimers or don't bother printing a disclaimer, which is rather dishonest. I didn't see such a disclaimer in any of the likely spots.

We do not do commercial due diligence. There are firms which provide this service for a fee, and rightly so. It can take hours or even weeks of research and a knowledge of the local language, as well as extensive travel, to confirm a foreign merchant or wholesaler. It's extraordinarily difficult to tell the difference between a legitimate company, a counterfeiter or a scam operation, particularly in Asia.

What I can tell you is that this site probably doesn't carry the brand names it advertises. The site lists Lacoste under the clothing brands it carries. Lacoste states on its own site, and has confirmed to us directly, that it does not authorize websites to sell their merchandise. Anything in the "Lacoste" section would be merchandise they aren't authorized to sell, copycat merchandise, counterfeit goods or imaginary. Those don't sound like good options to me. Ordering counterfeits can lead to seizure by customs and possible legal trouble.

[Aeval]

Guys, it's a simple thing.

If a Louis Vuitton bag (an original one, purchased at a Louis Vuitton store) runs at $1,500, and you find some site that offers you a "look-alike" for $150 - you are buying a knock-off.

Major designers like Louis Vuitton, Prada, Gucci and others have their designs copyrighted, especially when it comes to their logos. Their bags are expensive because they are high quality products, made of top notch materials and which also can last for years - as opposed to a cheap knock-off, which often falls apart after just a few weeks of use (if not earlier.)

Customs services of many countries have been seizing shipments of counterfeit merchandise for years, and the enforcement has certainly picked up in the recent times, often because of pressure from the designers who devote time and money in order to come up with a new product. They do not want someone vulturing on their hard work in order to make a buck.

Don't ask yourself if a seller of "look-alikes" is a legit one, and if he will deliver the goods. Ask yourself if you want to be involved in an operation that is nothing short of theft.

[unknown soldier]

admin can u do a check on post 17 and tell me if they are posting from china if possible?

[Daneel]

No, the IP points to the US.

[Anonymous]

Of course it's not hard to spoof one's IP address.

[Daneel]

Yup. Or just ask some friend in the US to post for you.

[sengrocks]

is
> favordigi.com
> eureot.com
> ypnike.com
> yannikeshoes.com
>
> are any of these okay to order form thanks help me please??

OR DOES ANY ONE HAVE A SITE I CAN GET GOODS FROM AND KNOW TAHT THE PRODUCTS DO COME???

[Nyla]

favordigi.com - Two things make me exceedingly suspicious. The Macbook Pro is unreasonably low, less than a third of the retail price. That is not very reasonable. Second, the bank account is in an individual's name, not a company name.

eureot.com, ypnike, yannikeshoes.com - see http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7058

We do not and can not offer true due diligence services, nor can we recommend or endorse businesses. We can only point out signs of scams.

[marc opp]

hello,

why is klassiekenjazz.com a scammer ? i'm the website owner!

greetings,
marc

[Rob]

Hello Marc,

I've had just a quick list on these domain-names but the list from this user doesn't seem to be thoroughly researched. I'll remove your domain from this list immediately.

Thanks for letting us now. :)

[PrettyUpset]

Have nothing to do with this. Remove my domain now! You ***** just screwed me when you google search my domain.
hollywoodcelebrityblog.net

[FW Admin]

The post was made by a user back in May 2007 (several months ago) and clearly stated that the sites have not all been checked. Until such time as more clarification for the listed sites are carried out, I have removed the entire post.

However, you have been listed on anti-spam sites as a domain or site that has actively engaged in spam. Perhaps you would be better advised to contact those.

In the meantime, as mentioned, the listing of your domain has been removed.

[mendoh]

The Help and FAQ sections says they have both free listings (anyone can register for these) and paid listings, which they refer to as "ads". Since anyone with money can purchase an advertisement, appearing on the site may not mean a business is legitimate. It may just mean someone purchased an advertisement.

They claim "Global Sources verifies information published here via regular supplier visits." They do not define how they verify the information, exactly, who verifies it, or how "regular" their visits are.
The company has been around for some time, and appears to be respected in Asia. http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/technology/2000/0428/grandaddy.html

Just at a glance, I would say the site looks far more thorough in its verifications than Alibaba or Tradekey, but If you want further detail about how thorough they are in verifying suppliers, you would need to ask the company directly.

There doesn't appear to be a points system on this site at all.



Tradekey is a legitimate trade directory, as far as we are aware. It is not set up for the sole purpose of scamming people or listing scam businesses, if that's what you mean.

If by "reliable" you mean "is it always okay to deal with companies listed in this directory", then, no. No trade directory can completely guarantee that you will have no problems dealing with the merchants on their site. Tradekey is fairly up front about what services they offer and what services they don't. The fact that they don't offer a guarantee of any kind is pretty plain. The ratings system is much like Ebay's. It can certainly tell you a lot if a user has a highly negative rating, but a neutral or even a positive rating is no guarantee.

There is no 100% foolproof way to tell if a website is legitimate. Particularly when it is new or nearly new. There are some very good and professional looking fakes out there. You cannot rely on a website alone. You need to do further research before dealing with a merchant or trade site.

We cannot endorse or recommend individual wholesalers.


To get a much clearer idea of what Globalsources.com is all about, one should really take a look here: www.angelfire.com/members/globalsources.com/ and here: www.angelfire.com/globalsources.com/Globalsoruces.com_bloody_pirates.pdf

They say it all.

A scammer is always a scammer, no matter if actual or fostering.

BEWARE

Mendoh

[Nyla]

That page pretty much says what I already said about globalsources.com, only with more profanity. That a listing there is certainly not a guarantee of any sort, any more than it is with any B2B portal. B2B portals and their paid memberships aren't the same thing as directly hiring an independent firm to do due diligence for you, or even for doing your own research, as much as is possible. What a B2B portal claims to do and what they actually do may be two different things.

I notice the authors of the page didn't do any research on their own before placing the order. My emphasis.

It all started on our side with a search for a consumer electonic product (wrist-watch cellphone) supplier: as we already knew that Alibaba.com hosts a lot of fake/scam businesses for these products, we decided to turn to Globalsources.com without even checking Alibaba or the Internet, thus completely relying in good faith on what Globalsources.com claims to offer ("Less risk. Better products. More sourcing confidence."

In this case, even a simple internet search before ordering would have raised a red flag about the quality of the products.

We run a search on the Internet and guess what? Fujiyama name pops up almost everywhere as a worldwide-aknowledged notorious scammer!

I also notice that the seller apparently at least offered to refund the amount of the phone in the sample order, by they buyer's own account and the buyer refused.

9. we asked for reimbursement;
10. they initially agreed to reimburse only the cost of the phone;
11. we disagreed and requested FULL reimbursement including shipping fees and banking charges, as the inconvenience was 120% THEIR fault as we had been very clear and specific with our questions and had used due diligence by repeatedly asking for UMTS compatibility to which they always replied positively;

There's certainly no guarantee they would have followed through, but there are many vendors that don't refund shipping, I'm afraid, even when they ship the wrong product due to their own miscommunication or a defective product. I've had that experience and began taking my business elsewhere when a catalog business stuck me for shipping plus return shipping when I ordered the wrong product due to an incorrect listing and photo on their website. In a perfect world, they would refund the entire cost, but it definitely pays to find out refund policies upfront. And when dealing with Chinese sellers, I'm afraid, you should probably take any offer of a refund, even if it doesn't cover all your expenses. Those offers seem few and far between.

That page does seem to confirm that Globalsources.com has pretty much the same standards as Alibaba and Tradekey, however. If you can purchase a membership you're likely "verified". Buyers need to keep in mind that all B2B portals that have paid memberships make more money when they have more verified members. It's in their interest to have more verified members, more ways than one.

The registration in the Cayman Islands is apparently a fairly common practice, particularly among Chinese companies. http://www.ruschlaw.com/countrylist/CaymanIslands.htm Frankly, being registered as a company in China probably translates to being more legally sheltered. It's nigh on impossible to bring civil or criminal charges against a Chinese seller unless you actually live in or are able to visit China in person.

[Global Sources]

In response to the post below, we would like to explain how the verification process is conducted at Global Sources.

- We ensure each supplier is authentic with a legally registered business
- We visit the company 3 or more times to ensure they are export-ready, and have real offices and products.
- We confirm that the listed contact person represents the registered company
- We check that the company information is valid and accurate
- We reject any suppliers that do not meet the standards of our community
- We work closely with intellectual property holders to remove any infringing products listed

This stringent verification process is to ensure the quality of our suppliers.


The Help and FAQ sections says they have both free listings (anyone can register for these) and paid listings, which they refer to as "ads". Since anyone with money can purchase an advertisement, appearing on the site may not mean a business is legitimate. It may just mean someone purchased an advertisement.

They claim "Global Sources verifies information published here via regular supplier visits." They do not define how they verify the information, exactly, who verifies it, or how "regular" their visits are.
The company has been around for some time, and appears to be respected in Asia. http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/technology/2000/0428/grandaddy.html

Just at a glance, I would say the site looks far more thorough in its verifications than Alibaba or Tradekey, but If you want further detail about how thorough they are in verifying suppliers, you would need to ask the company directly.

There doesn't appear to be a points system on this site at all.



Tradekey is a legitimate trade directory, as far as we are aware. It is not set up for the sole purpose of scamming people or listing scam businesses, if that's what you mean.

If by "reliable" you mean "is it always okay to deal with companies listed in this directory", then, no. No trade directory can completely guarantee that you will have no problems dealing with the merchants on their site. Tradekey is fairly up front about what services they offer and what services they don't. The fact that they don't offer a guarantee of any kind is pretty plain. The ratings system is much like Ebay's. It can certainly tell you a lot if a user has a highly negative rating, but a neutral or even a positive rating is no guarantee.

There is no 100% foolproof way to tell if a website is legitimate. Particularly when it is new or nearly new. There are some very good and professional looking fakes out there. You cannot rely on a website alone. You need to do further research before dealing with a merchant or trade site.

We cannot endorse or recommend individual wholesalers.