Example of an Alibaba scammer

[Daneel]

This company claims the name "Tomtom Major Distributor" and is supposedly in the UK. However, it quickly becomes painfully clear that he is not a Major Distributor of anything. His English is quite good though.

Jack Donovan: Hello
Jack Donovan: i am looking for tomtoms to distribute in sweden
Tomtom Major Distributor: Hi...
Tomtom Major Distributor: How are you doing ?
Jack Donovan: im fine thank you. and yurself?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Fine..
Tomtom Major Distributor: How may i help you please?
Jack Donovan: i would like to know is your company registered with the companies house in the uk?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Not yet...
Tomtom Major Distributor: We are just a distributor ..
Jack Donovan: ok.
Jack Donovan: say i want to order 20 pcs, what would your price be?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Which of them??
Jack Donovan: what you have listed on alibaba, TomTom GO 500
Tomtom Major Distributor: TomTom GO 500, 300, 510, 700 & 910
Jack Donovan: the 500
Tomtom Major Distributor: $3,400 for 20 Units... (The lowest price I could find with a Google search was a bit more than $270 * 20 = $5400, so this price does not sound very realistic at all for a brand item, even for wholesale. I could be wrong here, but think about it - if this was accurate, I could buy these and make almost $100 each just selling them on eBay. It has about 98% chance of being a scam right here)
Jack Donovan: you are serious?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes...
Tomtom Major Distributor: That's wholesale price...
Jack Donovan: ok, thank you for the information, goodbye
Tomtom Major Distributor: Why ??
Tomtom Major Distributor: What hapen?
Jack Donovan: what do you mean?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Am asking ?
Tomtom Major Distributor: When you said goodbye?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Are the prices too expensive?
Jack Donovan: maybe. what payment methods do you offer?
Tomtom Major Distributor: E-gold or Paypal payment....
Jack Donovan: escrow.com or COD?
Tomtom Major Distributor: We never use that before...
Jack Donovan: why e-gold and paypal? how long have you been in business?
Tomtom Major Distributor: No quite a long time...... (Despite the fact we're not registered with the Companies House and we don't have a website :) )
Tomtom Major Distributor: We also accept Western Union Money Transfer.... (No legitimate company in the UK should even mention WU)
Jack Donovan: lol
Tomtom Major Distributor: Or Bank Wire transfer...
Jack Donovan: you mean 100% up front
Jack Donovan: right?
Tomtom Major Distributor: hmm
Tomtom Major Distributor: if i can trust you in this deal???
Jack Donovan: do you have a website?
Tomtom Major Distributor: I told you we are just working towards that...
Jack Donovan: no, you told me you did not have a Companies House registration yet, you didnt say about a website
Tomtom Major Distributor: Oh ok...
Tomtom Major Distributor: Sorry for that..
Jack Donovan: do you have a number where i can reach you?
Tomtom Major Distributor: You have nothing to worry about , As for the reason that we want to do more business in future... (They often give this as a reason that they will not scam you. It's nonsense)
Jack Donovan: yes i also want that
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes..
Tomtom Major Distributor: How do we transact about the payment then??
Jack Donovan: i would prefer paypal from the options you give, but first, what is your number?
Tomtom Major Distributor: 07031861296 (In the UK, an 070 number is a type of premium number that is free to set up and receive calls to, and that can be forwarded to anywhere in the world. Most UK scam companies have them, but few legitimate companies do)
Jack Donovan: i mean a real number, not forwarding
Tomtom Major Distributor: How??
Jack Donovan: not starting with 070
Jack Donovan: a direct number to a landline or mobile
Tomtom Major Distributor: Oh ok....
Tomtom Major Distributor: Am not in the office right now... (Now I really have him squirming :lol: )
Jack Donovan: so where are you?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Out of office...
Tomtom Major Distributor: You know what???
Jack Donovan: do you have a real number where i can reach you?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes..
Tomtom Major Distributor: It's in the office...
Tomtom Major Distributor: That will be tomorrow....
Tomtom Major Distributor: You know what??
Jack Donovan: you don't have a mobile?
Tomtom Major Distributor: it's diverted to 07031861296
Jack Donovan: what is your mobile number then?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Don't worry i will give you the direct office line tomorrow..
Jack Donovan: ok, you can email me at xxx@yahoo.com or contact me on trademanager
Tomtom Major Distributor: Excellent...
Tomtom Major Distributor: So you know what?
Jack Donovan: what?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Both of us can be at the savers side....
Jack Donovan: yes?
Tomtom Major Distributor: You will make the payment by western union .....
Jack Donovan: we will discuss payment over the phone later
Tomtom Major Distributor: without giving the western union information except the MTCN to confirm if the payment was real before the package will be dispatched.. (This is a nothing but a scammer tactic. They can pick up the payment with only the MTCN)
Jack Donovan: so i only give the MTCN to confirm that payment has been sent?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes...
Tomtom Major Distributor: Just to confirm...
Jack Donovan: ok, that is an unusual way to do business
Jack Donovan: but i suppose it is safe
Tomtom Major Distributor: It's 100% safe....
Tomtom Major Distributor: western union won't release the money without providing the full information.....I guess you know that? (This is 100% nonsense. There is good reason WU is the most insecure payment method possible. It is not meant to be used for business payments in the first place)
Tomtom Major Distributor: You have to be sincere with us in this first deal..
Jack Donovan: yes of course
Tomtom Major Distributor: so that we can do more business..
Jack Donovan: trust is very important
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes...
Jack Donovan: and i would like to trust you
Tomtom Major Distributor: Yes...
Tomtom Major Distributor: That's why i want you to use this payment term in this first deal...
Jack Donovan: please send me that email as soon as you are in the office, and we can discuss payment and delivery
Jack Donovan: as soon as i have your number i will call you
Tomtom Major Distributor: All other informations will be released after the package was recieved with full satisfaction....
Tomtom Major Distributor: I can send the payment information right now..
Tomtom Major Distributor: And i need your shipping address for your Invoice..
Jack Donovan: please send it in email instead
Jack Donovan: i will send you my address, store details and so on
Tomtom Major Distributor: you want me to send it included with your invoice right now???
Jack Donovan: no, please just send me the phone number first
Jack Donovan: then we can discuss payment
Jack Donovan: ok?
Tomtom Major Distributor: Ok..
Tomtom Major Distributor: but i have the diveted one with me rigth now
Tomtom Major Distributor: Maybe you call it and discuss the payment...
Jack Donovan: no, i need a real number
Tomtom Major Distributor: No problem them...
Jack Donovan: ok, good :)
Jack Donovan: i will be waiting for your email then. thank you for your time
Tomtom Major Distributor: I will do that tomorrow...
Tomtom Major Distributor: nice chatting with you...

I will wait and see what kind of number he comes up with...

[John Fairheart]

That's a great example of a scammer trying to set up a victim for a sting. Nicely done Daneel :nod:

[haicumata]

please find this guy

http://www.alibaba.com/member/us104746766/contactinfo.html
don t buy they take money with western union

[haicumata]

this is a big scamer don t buy!!!!

they use fake company name no real phone number cheap price
and they are on many forums of scamer

alibaba stop the scam!!!!

[Sea Wolfe]

http://www.alibaba.com/member/id105145289.html

Moderindo Audio
Jl. Naripan No. 17-18.
Bandung
Propinsi Jawa Barat
40111

Tel: 62-22-4204546
Fax: 62-22-4204556

This guy is a total fraud. He is offering ridiculously low prices to and unbelievable shipping charges to reel you in. But when I asked for a picture of the products he is sending me stock pictures and pictures cropped from google images. The telephone and bank wire information are not that of a real company either.

[jaimitoteran]

I think this was one of the best scammer examples I've ever seen.

Thanks really!
Excellent job!

Jaime

[Sea Wolfe]

I just wanted to post an update.

The Alibaba listings for Moderindo Audio have been removed.

But in it's place, the same products are now listed from AMELINDO PERSADA

with address of: Jl. Pane raya 14B, West Jakarta, Jakarta, Jakarta Raya, Indonesia.

I think this is the same scammer/person in operation under a new name.

Buyer Beware!

[gtluis]

Hello,

I had a conversation like the one posted at the beggining, Now I know it was a scam, but I did give the person my personal information, address, zip code, etc.

Is there something these people can do with my information? is there something I should worry about?

[Nyla]

Besides trying to send you more scams or more "evidence" that they're legitimate, maybe by postal mail, not a great deal.

[gagik]

Hi
A company named Guiyang Gongqiu Commerce & Trading Co., Ltd. is a gold member of you
http://gongqiu.en.alibaba.com/contactinfo.html
took the money 430 USD and didn't send me the goods he should
I will send you copy of the proforma and the bank transfer I have made
they gave me a tracking number 6855547532 that doesn't exist.
The office number they gave me 0086-0851-7856899 doesn't exist and he hardly answers the mobile 0086-13765129683
I was talking to the manager Yuan Fang (msn cngongqiu-yuan@hotmail.com) and he says that may be there is a problem with DHL but he simply didn't even go to DHL office
Yesterday I have found an article about them
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/648910/verify_chinese_company_for_buyer_2_.htm
I am not the first one to be scummed but I want to be the last
Please block them in alibaba so they can't fool anyone else
I have also found another of their sites http://guiyanggongqiu.com/productlist.asp

[wiyz]

If anyone has a contact from Pak Lee(I don't know whether it is a real name.) through Alibaba, please be careful. He uses a really exisiting company name and address, but that real company is not related with him whatsoever. His contact number is +852 92482824 which seems like his personal phone.

He also used a few different email addresses as follow: Pak Lee <paklee@hotmail.co.uk>, kytlo@hotmail.com, winlamsf@yahoo.com.hk, bryan.wahking@gmail.com, kenwongwk@netvigator.com

He acts like a professional especially for healthcare product, but he is just a scammer. Anyway, if face with him, be careful.

[Indian34tt]

Here is some info on a Scam Artist and a Fraud.

NAME: LUCIANO PARLO
Email: lucianostoreltd@gmail.com
Store:LUCIANO STORE LTD (Have other Company names also)
1006 North State Rd 7
Pompano Beach, Florida 33064 USA

Fake EMS Shipping & Tracking Company that he use:
http://www.emslink.tk/
EMS LINKS DELIVERY LTD
PRESTON PARK HOUSE, SOUTH ROAD,
BRIGHTON, EAST SUSSEX, BN1 6SB,
UNITED KINGDOM.
Telephone: +(44) 702-409-3592
FAX: +44-844-774-4794
E-mail: emslinks@rocketmail.com

Email that the Tracking Company sends you update on your fake package:
emslink@live.co.uk

Person’s name and address that collects the Money Gram:
Name: Rodenise Saintilma
Address: 1006 North State Rd 7
City: Pompano Beach
State: Florida
Zipcode: 33064
Country: USA

I am sorry to say I have been scam by this person.
If I have any more info I will post an update.
Don't be scam by him. He is a very illiterate person also.
He keeps asking for more money to resend a package that he did not send in the first place. His fake shipping company will put the package on hold and demand more money to clear it and he will tell you to send the money to him and not the shipping company.
If you have any info on this person please post to warn others from being scam.

Thank You.

[TickTock]

Hello,

I had a conversation like the one posted at the beggining, Now I know it was a scam, but I did give the person my personal information, address, zip code, etc.
Is there something these people can do with my information? is there something I should worry about?


Hi!
I hope you haven't given your bank details. If you have I should notify your bank right away my friend. If it's just your name and email address then watch for unusual emails and think before opening. I hope you know what I mean there.

Thank you,


TickTock.:thumbup:

[peter_g8]

Nice one Daneel, another scammer added to the list

[Unregistered]

Be aware of this scam...

ableventure electronics

they also made a website :))

http://www.ableventure.page.tl

[Unregistered]

DON'T BUY ANYTHING ON THE SITE WWW.BUSINESSOG.COM

IT'S REAL SCAM!!!
IT'S A FRAUD!!!

The name of the person I contact there (very kind) is LYDIA.

Don't trust anything she says!!!
She's frauding you!!!

REMEMBER:
WWW.BUSINESSOG.COM (CHINA)

[Rainer]

Hi
A company named Guiyang Gongqiu Commerce & Trading Co., Ltd. is a gold member of you
http://gongqiu.en.alibaba.com/contactinfo.html
took the money 430 USD and didn't send me the goods he should
I will send you copy of the proforma and the bank transfer I have made
they gave me a tracking number 6855547532 that doesn't exist.
The office number they gave me 0086-0851-7856899 doesn't exist and he hardly answers the mobile 0086-13765129683
I was talking to the manager Yuan Fang (msn cngongqiu-yuan@hotmail.com) and he says that may be there is a problem with DHL but he simply didn't even go to DHL office
Yesterday I have found an article about them
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/648910/verify_chinese_company_for_buyer_2_.htm
I am not the first one to be scummed but I want to be the last
Please block them in alibaba so they can't fool anyone else
I have also found another of their sites http://guiyanggongqiu.com/productlist.asp

I noticed your link about a Service advertised on Alibaba offering a service to chekc things out for you. May be he is a Scammer also?
Oh Boy!! I started out on a Web Site called MADE In CHINA.COM
I was inundated with e-mails offering Me so many nice unbelievable deals.
I was very new to game. It didn't take Me long to figure out many things and also having read very valuable information such as is offered here.
I was nearly taken by one of those Lousy Shark Scum. How ever" I was able to cut the ,line and let him sink. Boy it felt good!!! So" A little revenge for you Guys too here. Lol
This is how it happened"

I was and still am interested in purchasing camera goods. I teed up with this offer I was given. Checked htier Web page and it looked very impressive. Then I read the aprt about payment. Wstern Union but not Paypal. I wondered at tha point > Why all the others but not Paypal?
I did ask him. He said that it takes 4 to 6 weeks and that this is a Company Account and not for Me to worry.
Then I noticed that there was a personal name with it. First and last Name. These get entered in to the Western Union Web Site for transfer. It didn't feel right but thought considering all else look convincing enough that I should do a test order for one Item only.
So I duly went about to tranfer Moneys with the use of the two names only.
It bothered Me all night and didn't get to sleep much. The next morning I remembered what i ones saw about the Whois? I entered the Web page details in there and there it was? Totaly different Name Phone number e.t.c It only took Me a second to quickly call Western Union to cancel the attempted transfer. This was promply done. Phew!! I thought. Now lets see what He says. It was some 10 minutes later I got an e-mail with URGENT on the heading.
he could not get the Money as it was cancelled. I told Him that I cancelled it. He got a little wound up about it and wanted to send Me some dozen tracking numbers and one certificate.Hmm? ok
i looked at them and I stil was not swayed. I know that in China particularily anyone can copy anything and they are very good at it too. I just let him slip on his way. I got a couple more e-mails asking if I checked him out and that I should send him the MONEY> > MONEY"
Get it? It was always the Money on his mind that bothered Me too not about Customer Service.
From here on I got even more careful. i must ahve checked out over a hundred by now and I am just about given up as I don't want to be taken by a Scum Scammer.
I ams eriously thinking about forgetting all of this idea and just keep my Money.
I like to share this useful link with you> It is helpful for checking things.
http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/szqintian.com

The whole thing is almost like fighting a Virus or Cancer. as soon one Scam Web pae has been exposed they change it to another Web Page Name and the cycle continues.
Good luck!

[Extreme28]

Hi everybody,

I would like to tell everybody, never do any business with this company as they will cheat you.
They will be very nice with you will solutions to sell less than the official minimum of order but once you made the money transfert (western union or bank wire) you will never hear from them again. Their phone number is fake.

Well nothing from them is good

Cia Ciao

[poirot]

Hi everybody,

I would like to tell everybody, never do any business with this company as they will cheat you.
They will be very nice with you will solutions to sell less than the official minimum of order but once you made the money transfert (western union or bank wire) you will never hear from them again. Their phone number is fake.

Well nothing from them is good

Cia Ciao

www.mtb-rb-bikes.com is indeed a fraud, advertising brand name bikes they don't have.
FRAUD
http://www.mtb-rb-bikes.com/
ShenZhen JingYang Tech Co., Ltd
Ms.Lu
Tel:86-135-30952964
Email: bicyclebusiness@hotmail.com

FRAUD
Domain Name: mtb-rb-bikes.com
Referral URL: http://www.35.com
Expiration Date: 2012-09-16
Creation Date: 2011-09-16
Last Update Date: 2011-09-16

Hangzhou MeiTu Network Science &Technology Co.,ltd.
allen@tradehr.com +86.57156851055 +86.57156766616
Hangzhou MeiTu Network Science &Technology Co.,ltd.
Room 403-405,Building 2,E-Commerce Industrial Park,7 CuiBai Road,Hangzhou
HangZhou,Zhe Jiang,CN 310000

Registrar: 35 TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD
Administrator:
Room 403-405,Building 2,E-Commerce Industrial Park,7 CuiBai Road,Hangzhou
HangZhou
Zhe Jiang,
CN
310000

name: (Mou Xia Ming)
mail: ( allen@tradehr.com ) +86.57156851055
+86.57156766616
Hangzhou MeiTu Network Science &Technology Co.,ltd.
Technical Contactor:
Room 403-405,Building 2,E-Commerce Industrial Park,7 CuiBai Road,Hangzhou
HangZhou
Zhe Jiang,
CN
310000