A company in the U.K./ Are they legit??

[robwill111]

My name is Thomas Liner,I am a fabric artist with my wife Jane Liner.We own a small enterprise in London(England),We have been selling our products for the last 3 years and have had our work featured on various fabric, cards, textile prints and others. We sell to small galleries and private collectors from all around the world. I am always facing serious difficulties when it comes to selling my art works to Americans, they are always offering to pay with MONEY ORDERS, which takes a really long time or face banking network difficulties to cash here in London, England.

With regards to your resume posted on HOTRESUMES.COM, Let us inform you that Nottingham limited(producer of various clothing materials, batiks, assorted fabrics and traditional costumes) starts a new project in the USA and is looking for a reliable, well-motivated and well-executive person to take care of the project needs. The job requires a flexible
schedule shift. We produce various clothing materials,expensive and high quality batiks,assorted fabrics and traditional costumes which we have clients we supply weekly in the states.

Our clients make payments for our supplies every week in form of money orders which are not readily cashable outside the US {JUST BECAUSE THIS US MONEY ORDERS CAN ONLY BE CASHED WITHIN THE US} so we need someone in the states to work as our representative and assist us in processing the payments from our clients and i will pay him weekly salary{YOU WILL BE PAID 10% FOR EACH TRANSACTION AND WE NORMALLY GET PAID 1-2 TIMES A WEEK FROM OUR CLIENTS}
All you need to do is receive this payment from our client in the states, get it cashed at the bank and then deduct your weekly pay i.e 10% and forward the balance to the company down here via western union money transfer. You will keep all western union transfer receipts used and forward them to us from time to time, you will also record all transactions on your computer both offline and online in case of any emergency references. We would have told our clients to send the money directly to US via westernunion but they often bring up complaints on wire fees and extra expenses plus it has been a tradition for them to pay us via US MONEY ORDERS/TRAVELLER'S CHEQUES.

Our payments will be issued out in your name and you get them cashed at the bank, (tax charges on your account will be deducted from our pockets not yours, so you dont have to worry about that) and then deduct your salary and foward the balance to the company via money transfer method i did mention earlier on.

According to this fact we are offering you a position of the bookkeeper of Nottingham ltd. If you are interested in starting business activity, please respond this message with your CV or Resume if you have any, attached to the message with the following information we request of you to commence.


All we need from you now to start up this is your trust and three details as stated below,

(1)Your full name which will be on the Money Orders.

(2)Your address where my customers will send the payments.

(3)Your cell or direct phone number for easy communication



Please forward all your information to: thomasliner@myway.com

WE WILL EMAIL YOU A LETTER OF EMPLOYMENT FROM OUR COMPANY WHICH YOU HAVE TO REPLY WITH AN ACCEPTANCE LETTER AND A SCANNED COPY OF YOUR INDENTIFICATION ATTACHED TO IT

AS SOON AS WE CONFIRM ANY PAYMENT COMING TO YOU I WILL LET YOU KNOW AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION TO SEND FUNDS TO THE COMPANY VIA WESTERN UNION.

Thanks and i await your response.
MR.THOMAS LINER
+44-07024070734
With due respect,
General Manager, Human resources department,
Nottingham LIMITED.
ntextilesandfabrics.com


"THEN I ASKED THEM FOR AN EMAIL ADDRESS"

Hello Robert,
I want you to take your time and visit the company website www.lnft.i8.com.
I assure you it will take care of your questions and all other inquires you need find out about the company.
Your phone number is required for easy communication when needed. Do reply soon with the details and the form.
T. Liner

[breccia]

Hi robwill111, and welcome to Fraudwatchers. :welcome:

This is 100% a scam. It is called a "representative scam", and you can read about at this link on our website:

http://fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257

Essentially, if you agree to act as a "representative" for this person, you will be sent counterfeit checks in the mail, and asked to deposit them into you bank account, and then send cash back to the scammer via an anonymous money transfer method such as Western Union or Moneygram.

The scam works because your bank may not immediately realize that the deposited check is a counterfeit. They will honor the check, and you will see the money appear in your account. The scammers will then press you to withdraw cash on the check (keeping 10% for your efforts of course), and send it to them. A month or more later, when the check finally arrives at the issuing bank to be cleared, and the issuing bank tells your bank that the check is a counterfeit, your bank will come back to you and ask you to repay the money.

The scammers are untraceable, and you will be left owing your bank, or being prosecuted for fraud.

I would really urge you to cease communicating with this person, as these counterfeit check scams are very nasty.

[Rob]

Both mentioned websites show all signs of being fake. registerd for one year, fake registration details, etc. Additionally, there's no company in the UK that is registered under the name that is given on the latter website.

[Mark Perrry]

Is this one a scam?

Dear Jobseeker,

This offer was sent to you in response to your resume on www.monster.com.

The job we are offering requires only two hours per day during which you will check your e-mail and go to your bank. You will be given a position of representative within our company which means that you will be a collaborator and not an actual employee. There is no experience required; only the knowledge of using an e-mail account and a bank account. It does not matter if you already have a job or not if you have two hours to spare each working day.

What is required of you in order to be eligible for this job:

- Honesty, responsibility and dedication to this new line of work;
- An existing active bank account that you will use to cash money orders and checks (no information is required about your bank account);
- Access to the internet and a small amount of free time every day in order to check your e-mail twice per day (once in the morning and again in the evening).

What we offer during this job:

- Flexible working time: you chose what hours you want to work;
- Working at home: you only need to check your e-mail and make trips to your bank;
- Professional support via e-mail;
- No selling involved, no kit to buy, we will not charge you anything, you will not handle any merchandise;
- Minimum pay: $5,500 (from commissions and a $900 monthly salary);
- Commission: 10% off of every money order/check that you cash, instantly money in hand that you will deduct from the cashed amount. If you receive a check of $1,000.00 your net income is $100.00, our company supports any fees. You can receive a maximum of 3 checks/money orders per day which will earn you between $300 and $900 cash in hand each day.

If you are interested our staff will send detailed information about the contract which you must sign in order to get started. We reserve the right to keep you on probation for the first month, meaning that we will decide at the end of the first month whether you will be a permanent employee or not.

It is very important for us to know how willing you are to work for our company. Also, we are keen to know about your skills in contacting other people and above all we are looking for candidates that are ready to work and seek to self improve all the time. Our company just started this program and we need personnel loyal to our company and our program. We believe that we represent an excellent opportunity for everybody, a chance to start a new career without much knowledge but with great perspectives. Even if you are not willing to grow with our company this still remains an excellent opportunity for those who need a temporary or a secondary job.2

We are confident that you will make the right decision and hope to hear from you soon.

IMPORTANT:

-You must be over 21 years old.
-You need to live inU.S.A. (legal residents and immigrants can also apply) and have an active bank account.

If you meet these conditions please contact us by replying at this e-mail address to receive the contract and detailed information about this job.

Thank you

[Daneel]

Yes, indeed. This is another representative scam, as described above. No real company would ask you to transfer funds in this manner, even if it was for real you would make yourself guilty of money laundering. All proposals like this are scams, period.

[Mark Perry]

When I originally got the request I thought it was from a formaer student of mine by the same name that I kept in touch with up to a couple of years ago. After I got into it I realized there is no way that this is the person I thought I was dealing with. That is why I came to you guys for advice.

[John Fairheart]

Mark,

First thing is to go back to Monster and report the advertisement. Point Monster to this thread if they need some evidence, and should they wish to contact us on any official level, our Contact Us form is always available.

Next, what kind of 'mess' do you think you may have started? Stopping all communications is the primary objective of course, and naturally that would include any phone calls made to you from these scammers. They will soon get the message that you are not interested, and move on.

The most important thing, is not to start firing abuse at them, especially if you have given them personal details. They are criminals when all said and done, so moving swiftly into the shadows and allowing them to forget you is very important.

Hope that helps a little. If you any futher questions, feel free for to hop back in again.

[Mark Perry]

Thanks for the info, I broke off communication with the scammers and they actually stopped replying when I yanked the money back out of western union. They picked it up after three days. On the third day I got 3 more job offers from "monster resume" and the letters were identical to the first. When I checked google for the company I was brought to a 419 scam site that directed me here. Now I have a legal mess to clean up. I took the address from the envolope the checks came in and got a phone number for that person, but no one answers as of yet. I don't even know what to say when I get ahold of them. I noticed that the post mark on the envelope was from Queens, NY and the person lives in Michigan. This is a hard lesson learned and a long scary road ahead.

[Nyla]

Thanks for the info, I broke off communication with the scammers and they actually stopped replying when I yanked the money back out of western union. They picked it up after three days.

Could you clarify that statement? Are you saying that you sent them money via Western Union and they picked up the transfer, or that you sent it, but were able to cancel the transfer before the scammers picked it up?

If you cashed the check(s), then you do have some straightening out to do. You should contact the bank as soon as possible and let them know that you were scammed, and how. Letting them discover that the check is fake on their own is not the best approach here. You want to be as honest and forthright with them as possible, especially if you withdrew money from your account after cashing the check. If you don't notify them, they may decide that you were complicit in the crime and knew the check was fake when you cashed it. Let the bank know you realize you were scammed and that the check will bounce.

If you did send money by WU, then you probably should report the fraud to Western Union's fraud department, as well. If needed, we can provide that number to you.


Now I have a legal mess to clean up. I took the address from the envolope the checks came in and got a phone number for that person, but no one answers as of yet. I don't even know what to say when I get ahold of them. I noticed that the post mark on the envelope was from Queens, NY and the person lives in Michigan.

Contacting the bank and filing a police report are the only things you should have to do, and the only thing you should attempt to do. Take the envelope the check was sent in, any correspondence by email or postal mail, and file a police report about what happened to you. Investigating the person who may or may not have mailed the check is a job for the police, not you.

Seasoned criminals do not tend to put their real return address on the envelope during the commission of a felony by postal mail. Directories matching up phone numbers and addresses are not always accurate and/or up to date, either. You have no way of knowing you have the correct phone number, and as you said, what exactly would you say? "Pardon me, but are you the one who is mailing these forged checks? Could you kindly go turn yourself in at the police station?"

The person who mailed the check may be a fellow scam victim, a willing accomplice, or the address and phone number may belong to some innocent bystander who has nothing to do with this whatsoever. The scammer could easily have picked an address at random simply to make the envelope look less suspicious. No return address would look odd. Let the police determine that.

Getting the police report on file and notifying the bank, providing all the evidence you can, including printouts of emails and saving the originals, should sufficiently protect you legally. It might take a little time and effort to straighten out, but you shouldn't end up in any legal trouble. If you did indeed lose money, being willing to set up a repayment plan with the bank goes a long way, as well.

[John Fairheart]

Yep, what Nyla said 100%. Certainly don't try to do anything on your own. That's certainly the best way to get in trouble with the Police.

[Mark Perry]

Thanks Nyla for the advise. I guess I have a lot of work to on Monday. The address on the checks and envolope matched and there is a legit phone number for that residence but I can't get through to anyone there. I have the envolope and all the e-mails printed, plus the WU paperwork. I also contacted monster.com and filed a complaint and place my resume on hide so I don't get anymore of those.

What scares me is I have an insurance license in my stste that will be in jeapordy if I have any kind of fraud charges against me which means I can't work. Just keeps getting better all the time. If it comes to charges or investigation, I need to work with the commissioner of insurance as well. I'd like to five minutes alone with these thieves.

You guys have ben great and I will continue to hang in there and let you know the progress so others may benefit from my stupidity.

[FW Admin]

Thanks for posting, Mark - and I can only reiterate that you cooperate fully with the police and the bank in this matter. Please don't berate yourself; it's not stupidity for being taken in by what are seasoned confidence tricksters. These scammers have been doing this for a long time (in many cases it's all they know) and they are the only ones to blame here.

[Nyla]

You have nothing to beat yourself up over. These fake check scams take advantage of every possible loophole in the postal and banking systems/regulations and even seasoned bank employees often have a very hard time spotting the fakes. Most of us can't give a formal definition for money laundering, have no reason to know whether someone in another country can process a particular payment or how complicated that would be, and there's certainly nothing to be ashamed of in accepting what you think to be an honest, decent job offer.

And as long as you cooperate with the bank and the police, and are as up front as possible as soon as possible, there is very little likelihood that you will end up in any legal trouble. I've corresponded with (unfortunately) quite a few people on the end of fake check scams, and generally, legal or lasting financial trouble results from one of two things. Either persistently trying to cash fake check after fake check, even after the first one or two prove to be fake, which indicates to the bank that you're deliberately trying to pass known fakes, or attempting to avoid talking to or repaying the bank. As long as you make a good faith effort to work with the bank and have no large financial or legal problems in your past history, they should see it for exactly what it is, a crime with you as the victim. They still expect what they see as their money back, but it seems to be very rare that the bank decides to make an example of you by bringing criminal charges, so long as you make some effort to work with them. It sounds as though you have the documentation well covered, and you should be able to work with the bank easily.

[Mark Perry]

Well, the local police were very good about all this and the local bank branch is working with me though the main branch froze my account and is treating all this like a regular overdraft. I filled out the fraud paper work with the bank and hopefully that will unfreez my accout. I have a feeling it is going to be a very long time until everthing is all straight again. I can't thank you guys enough for all your advice. The local police officer wants to check this site so he will be better informed about what is out there in the way of scams and can advise people what to look out for.

Thanks again.
"1 is too small of a number to achieve greatnes."

[Nyla]

Good to hear that you're on the road to getting this straightened out. It may take some patience, but it sounds like you're well on the way to a resolution.

Tell the chief we definitely welcome law enforcement visitors, members and contributors and any referrals he cares to make to those needing information would be much appreciated.

[Mark Perry]

Well, I got al the paperwork at the bank done and it will cost me 600 a month to repay the bank, but they eliminated the fees and there will be no criminal charges. They were very understanding and well aware of the scams out there. Thanks, I think I can sleep now.

[Unregistered]

Hi Mark,

I am so glad that I have used Altavista Website to search about this supposedly company. In fact I have the $2,550 money order from this person in Missouri supposedly from a client. Then here comes Mr. Liner calling me to cash the money order and send it via western union to Nigeria right away. While on the way to the bank I had this very bad feeling that this is not right. So, when I approached the teller, I was informed that it needed three days to process before the funds are available for withdrawal. Thank goodness I didn't go through with it. Here searching for this company, it directed me this website, and law and behold the same information I have is posted on the site. Mr. Liner keep calling me until ten o'clock at night, I had to unplug the phone. Now he keeps emailing me and the persuasion doesn't stop. So I guess I just have to ignore him.

[FW Admin]

Mark: I'm very pleased that things have been resolved; although again I'm truly sorry and fully sympathise that you were a victim.

Unregistered: the best thing to do to stop harrassing emails and telephone calls is to tell the criminals that you have given the check and the envelope, and all the emails over to the police who are investigating the matter. You may find that you will receive several other emails from now, as they pass or sell lists of email addresses to other scammers, so I would perhaps ask you to consider changing your email address, and only give that out to people close to you.

[Unregistered]

To the Admin:

Thank you for your advice, I will definitely tell the scammer that I will turn in all the evidence to the police, hoping that the harassment will stop.

[visio]

I came to this page following a link from my server logs, and a related domain ntextileandfabric.com which I have just suspended and in the nest few days will be terminating, not terminating yet because it can be used perhaps as evidence.

Both web sites http://www.ntextilesandfabrics.com/ and http://www.ntextileandfabric.com/ where exctly the same, the owner was a customer of mine, I think perhaps he/she is still because I have a dozen hosted domains which I think comes from the same IP addreess, any way the persons IP is 62.56.149.221 which is from Turkey, Izmir; although he stated in the registration form that he was from the USA.

If there is anything I can do, please contact me.

Paul Santos
Hosting Marketers (http://hosting-marketers.com/)

[FW Admin]

Hello visio, and welcome indeed to FraudWatchers.

As a web hoster, you would be more aware than anyone about scammers setting up webspace for fraudulent misleading sites that help convince victims of their legitimacy. I personally am also a reseller and have had to double check a number of applications for webspace.

The difficulty is twofold; firstly, I appreciate that you need proof showing it is an illegal site, as in breaches of copyright, involved in fraud etc. and the other problem is method of payment. Ideally what we would like is for every hoster on the internet to be very much aware of these instances, and to devote a little time to checking new sites that are set up - not just for websites on the account, but also the "blank" ones where only the domain email forwarding is being implemented.

Payment for these accounts almost always come from credit card details that have been stolen (or "phished") and in most cases, these will eventually be clawed back by the company once the owner of the card discovers it has been compromised. Other methods are from phished paypal accounts which are a little more difficult to investigate. As you have done yourself, checking the IP against the alleged location of the customer tends to be a good heads-up.

It's good to have you on board, and the resources of our website are at your disposal.

[Unregistered]

bills gens ltd

Thanks for the mail,
Firts of all our plasma tv sets are brand new in the boc, and comes with one yearwarranty.

Here are the plasmas we have in stock.

Sony Grand WEGA KDFE42A10 42 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ........... $400
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R60XBR1 60 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV.....$600
Sony Grand WEGA SXRD KDS-R50XBR1 50 in Rear-Projection LCoS TV ... $450
Sony Wega KDF-E50A10 50 in LCD Rear-Projection TV............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-32DA5U 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............ $350
Sony Wega KDL-V40XBR1 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Sony Wega KD-36FS130 36 in Flat Screen TV ............... $400
Samsung HL-R5067W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ......... $450
Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV.............. $500
Samsung HL-R5667W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV .............$500
Samsung HL-R4266W 42 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $450
Samsung LN-R408D 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............. $400
Samsung HP-R4252 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV .............. $450
Magnavox 15MF605T 15 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $300
Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ............ $350
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ...... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV ......... $500
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV .......... $450
Pioneer PureVision PDP-5060HD 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ....... $500
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ................ $300
Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-V32XBR1 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E55A20 55 in LCD Rear-Projection TV .......... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-37D7U 37 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400
Samsung LN-R268W 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........ $350
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-E60A20 60 in Rear-Projection LCD TV ...... $600
Samsung HL-R4667W 46 in Rear-Projection DLP TV........ $400
Sony Wega KLV-S32A10 32 in Flat Panel LCD TV ......... $300
Sony BRAVIA KLV-S26A10 26 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $300
Sharp Aquos LC-26DA5U 26 in' LCD TV............ $300
Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 in Flat Panel Plasma TV......... $400
Samsung HLR5078W 50 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ............ $500
Sharp Aquos LC-45GD7U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV .............. $450
Sharp Aquos LC-20S4U 20 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $250
Panasonic Onyx TH50PX500U 50 in Flat Panel Plasma TV ........ $500
Sharp Aquos LC45GD4U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ............... $350
Samsung SlimFit TX-R3079WH 30 in Flat CRT TV ........... $350
Samsung HL-R5688W 56 in Rear-Projection DLP TV ........... $550
Sharp Aquos LC-45GX6U 45 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $500


So get back to us now with the tv sets you want to purchase, and the quantity needed.

Thanks
Awaiting your reply.


Is this legi.....I really think not, but any info on this would be great.

[John Fairheart]

I picked one at random and went to the MANUFACTURER site for a price.


Sony Wega KDL-V40XBR1 40 in Flat Panel LCD TV ........... $400


SONY WEBPAGE (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_flatpanel_26to42&Dept=tvvideo)

That TV is listed at $ 2,999.99

So YES, it's a scam. The only way you are going to get a $3K TV for less than $500 is if it fell off the back of a truck, or it doesn't exist.

Avoid.

[Rob]

Hello Paul,

thanks for coming to our forums and thanks for shutting these websites down. It's very good to see that at least one webhoster works proactively against the scammers and shuts their websites down. Kudos for that! :thumbup1: Some other, very big webhosters can be very stubborn, even if you present them the evidence on a golden plate while dancing on the abuse-employees desk in a pink tutu!

You'll have a pm shortly.