A few Alibaba.com scammers

[Daneel]

Phone House Plaza - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10635381.html
Rossy Phone Plaza Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10679293.html
Carlson Store - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10642547.html
Bq Mobile Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10678908.html
Toytroniks Phones Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10508985.html
Genius Phones Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10552720.html
Dumasmobile Co, Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10598329.html
Fincosmo Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10627877.html
Pure Mobile Telecom INC. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10582616.html
Cosmote Star Shop Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10630574.html
Interspire-mobile INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10663146.html
Fabyo-mobile Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10661417.html
Klassmobile INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10661452.html
Esymobile INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10661480.html
Digitalonlineshop INC. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10602000.html
Zesoo-Mobile INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10663171.html
Plazashop-Mobile INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10663131.html
Phones Select Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10676613.html
MobilePhonesInternationalLtd - http://www.alibaba.com/member/mobilephonesinter20/trustpass_profile.html
Mobile Communication Systems Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10652094.html
Mobile Telecommunications Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10656907.html
Electronics World UK Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10647005.html
Telecomuk Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10648344.html
IT Zone Inc. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10642987.html
Smiletec Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10657306.html
Marinability Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10624579.html
Ag Net - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10632270.html
Lantermoz - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10632241.html
Mouseco Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10646673.html
Computer & Mobile Service Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10662794.html
Computer Action Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10647983.html
Marbella Glow Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10658589.html
K100(Uk) Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10643639.html
Omega Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10642631.html
Omega2 Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10539161.html
Westlimited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10646573.html
Y2k Homes Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10645097.html
Phones Warehouse Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10654867.html
Gate12limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10662932.html
Automobile Services Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10643040.html
Mcegan. Phones. Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10516054.html
GsmNokMob - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10573150.html
UK Mobile Phones Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10524511.html
Ertalon Phones Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10636331.html
Phoneland Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10636339.html
Digital Direct Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10389834.html
David Mobile Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10521572.html

[Unregistered]

Becky Holdings SARL
Blessing Company
Spring Link International
Amsicoworldwide Company Ltd
Dublin International Company
Khan Brothers & Co
Y. Z. Creation Co Ltd
Elexander International
evergreen west afrika
ETS MICHAEL
Transmedia Holdings West Afica

[Unregistered]

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Jun 14 2006 HELLO (Mr Smith Briggs)
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Hello,

How are you,My name is Smith Briggs and I own a company that sells
Chinese
and African textile and fabric material in Hongkong and our other
numerous
branches.I am looking for a trustworthy representative in USA /Canada
that
can help as a link between me and my client over there.

I saw your advert and decided that i would like to know if you are
interested to work from home in the u.s.a/canada

Please do get to me asap for further inquires.

Kindly reply me back on this email;
smith_briggs@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks.
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Name: Mr Smith Briggs Leave me a message
Company: Grandlandexports
Address: Units 3a&3b, Olympic Way,
Country: United Kingdom
Phone: 44-702-4027884
Fax: 44-702-4027884

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[Daneel]

Yep, you will get these offers from time to time on Alibaba. He will want you to launder money for him, or he'll try to get you to cash a fake check or two. Those +4470 numbers are a type of premium numbers that are free to set up and receive calls to, and can be forwarded to anywhere in the world. They are mostly used by scammers, not by real companies.

Company Name: Grandland Import And Export
Contact Person: Mr. Samuel Briggs
Address: Units 3a&3b, Olympic Way,, Aintree, Liverpool, United Kingdom
Zip: L30 1RD
Telephone: 44-70318-48302
Fax: 44-8712-5124

You can report it to alibaba@alibaba-inc.com to get him removed.

[tantk]

Alibaba is home to scammers. See this thread along with the Customer

Complaints section and Trust and Security sections on alibaba itself. Both the

Gold and Trustpass members are also scamming people. More people should

file complaints about ALIBABA. Their management isn't interested in doing

anything except collect their trustpass and Gold membership fees. The

management of alibaba should be held more accountable and take more

responsibility for all the fraud that is going on at their site !

See http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=5933

:o :o :o

[John Fairheart]

tantk, thanks for the link.

Having read some of it I have to side with the general concensus, and also add to it my own experiences as a Scambaiter.

Every sales/auction oriented site on the internet has the exact same problem. Any site that offers an active directory of items for sale, or the ability to sell items is open to abuse from criminals.

Just looking at some of the posts on this forum should show that all kinds of activity arises. Legitimate online businesses are targetted simply because it is too easy for a fraudster to operate. Job Sites are filled with dodgy adverts from money employment scammers from West African nations and Eastern Europe. Dating Sites have the same problem, all are targetted, auction sites are targetted daily. Look at eBay, Craigslist and beyond. Alibaba and sites of the same category are also targetted by criminals.

Just because a system is being abused does not mean that the host should be accountable, unless they specifically refuse to take any action. As far as I can see, Alibaba do take action, Daneel will be able to confirm this.

Nobody on any site has a perfect solution to combat the tide of scammers using third party systems. Most rely on abuse reports because of the sheer weight of consumers. Alibaba is typical because it is very big. Sometimes it may take days for anyone to take any action. But does it mean they do not care?

I used to be anti-eBay until I realized that as a scambaiter I was seeing only a minority of the successful transactions conducted via their systems. Although I refuse to use eBay, I appreciate that many enjoy using it.

Alibaba is the same, and because you have had bad experiences, you are angry, and see only the worst elements. It is understandable and I do sympathize, but slandering Alibaba won't make the real problem go away.

Also, one must remember that because a criminal has access to dodgy credit cards, bank accounts, hijacked PayPal accounts, etc they can be as dynamic as they need to be to stay under the radar. If you have a solution to the problem, you should share it with the hosts, you would be worth your weight in gold.

[Daneel]

True, Alibaba does take action against listings that are very likely fraudulent. I have reported more than 50 of those so far and all but two or three have been removed within a day. In those cases they felt they didn't have enough evidence.

For Alibaba to do something more than that, they would have to raise fees or find new ways to make money such as making all sellers pay to join the site or adding tons of ads. I don't think they want that. A feedback system similar to eBay would be a great addition, I think it has been suggested a few times but it seems they don't want that either.

I know there are a lot of people who feel the same way you do. Especially people who come to Alibaba searching for consumer electronics, and have no idea what a real supplier looks like, tend to encounter nothing but scammers. But if you move away from electronics you will find a lot more legitimate suppliers.

[Daneel]

Circling the globe, we have direct operations in nearly 70 countries and employ more than 21,000 associates. In addition, (Company Name) reaches customers in more than 100 other countries through distributors, licensees and export operations.
Amazing how many companies there are with those exact attributes. Most seem to be in Medan, Indonesia. These are all reported to Alibaba.

Abadi Elektro Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10650707.html
Arista Electronic Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10672699.html
Alterboat Corp. Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10607230.html
Autovaganza Corp. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10589385.html
Cv. Cahaya Matahari - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10626264.html
C. V Oloppanggabean - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10555074.html
Cv. Cahaya Matahari - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10628542.html
Cipta Persada Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10705179.html
Cv. Asesoris Oto - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10624014.html
Cv. Makmur Jaya - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10579064.html
Chepet Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10579175.html
Danny Jewelery INC - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10563307.html
Graha Tunggal Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10573855.html
Handoko INC. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10581277.html
Ind Sound Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10540186.html
Jhon Ari Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10469339.html
Jhon Ari Group Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10472388.html
Lhontech Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10587484.html
Parlentech Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10589322.html
Putra Loader Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10704218.html
PT Graha Setia - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10715994.html
P.T.HITASUDE - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10552843.html
Sabartronic Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10664826.html
Setia Electro Corp. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10666437.html
Tunggal Abadi Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10600225.html
Uniontech Corp. Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10566006.html

Valdotomotive Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10556940.html
Sitepu Co. LTD - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10423036.html
Gazelle International Trading - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10267607.html
Planet Speaker Pte Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10580390.html

And a few more random probable scammers here. If you want to know why I think they're scammers either contact me or read the Alibaba forums for hints on how to recognise them.

Hi Tech Gadgets INC. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10567189.html
C02 Creative Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10600852.html
Communications Warehouse Ltd - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10677069.html
Mica 2000 Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10671009.html
Best Breeds Limited - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10572959.html
Tradesonyvaio - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10401853.html
Pt. Jamillah Motor - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10682039.html
Prima Kencana - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10611780.html
Cv. Prima Kencana - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10590923.html
Prima Kencana Motor INC. - http://www.alibaba.com/member/primakencanamotor/contactinfo.html
Pt. Auto Sinar Perkasa - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10698937.html
Cv. Indo Printing - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10650609.html

[tantk]

A further list of scammers can be found at http://www.badsuppliers.com

[Unregistered]

Could someone please confirm that UNIONTECH is fake. And why you feel it is

[Daneel]

There are several companies named Uniontech on Alibaba, you have to be more specific. The one I was referring to has been deleted already:
Uniontech Corp. Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10566006.html

[Unregistered]

There are several companies named Uniontech on Alibaba, you have to be more specific. The one I was referring to has been deleted already:
Uniontech Corp. Ltd. - http://www.alibaba.com/company/10566006.html

Here are the details I have. i am intending to purchase some items from them.
Contact: Cherry Liu
Company:UNIONTECH (Shenzhen Uniontech Industries Co,.Ltd - china)
Tel:+86 755 28045431
Fax:+86 755 27527392
Cell:+86 13802708771
Email: salesudsk@126.com; sales@udsk.net; udsk@globalsources.com
MSN:cherryliu19@hotmail.com SKYPE: cherryshenzhen
Website: http://www.udsk.net and http://www.globalsources.com/udsk.co

There website looks legitimate and when I rang the number I confirmed that it was this business, but I just want to make sure. As when I typed in the business name and the word scam, this forum poped up. So can you please adivise me if this company is real and can be trusted. They have about 20 products selling on alibaba as well.
Stu

[Daneel]

Those are not related, it's not the same Uniontech. The company I mentioned was in Indonesia.

[Unregistered]

Those are not related, it's not the same Uniontech. The company I mentioned was in Indonesia.

Ok, thanks for that. Now do you know by the information I have given you about this company, can they be trusted as I do not want to be burnt again. I have organised for them to send me out a sample product so I will only spend $US80 instead of a couple of hundreds. What do you think?

[Daneel]

I can't say much about Chinese companies. The site looks fairly typical for China, and they don't try to sell any brand name electronics, PS3 or fake shoes.

You can find some real advice on how to deal in China here:
http://resources.alibaba.com/discussion_board/110/due_diligence.htm

[sgdtrade]

we are not a scammer,we are a real nike shoes supplier in china,below is our company info:


SGD International Trade Company(WWW.SGDTRADE.COM) is a professional supplier of brand name goods.
our main priority brand boots(lv,gucci,chanel,burberry,timberland),rolex watches,tiffany jewelry,IPOD NANO,nike shoes(inc nike shoes CLEAR AF1,CLEAR JORDAN,nike dunk clear,nike shoes clear shox r3,clear tn),ICE CREAM SHOES,BAPE SHOES,TIMBERLAND SHOES,PRADA,GUCCI,ADIDAS,PUMA,D&G SHOES,LV AND GUCCI PURSE,WALLETS,HANDBAG,RED MONKEY,ROCK&REPUBLC,BAPE,BBC,EVISU JEANS,LACOSTE POLO D&G T-SHIRT,sweaters,coats and ALL KIND OF clothing such as bape,bbc,evisu,LRG,10deep hoodies,2b free,BeBe sweatsuits,juicy couture and other brand shoes(lv,chanel,rich,DSQUARED,ugg)all from WWW.SGDTRADE.COM. our products have a good market in all over the world.All products are top quality with original packing.and we can offer you all COLORS and all SIZE.
Because our price are for wholesale,So our price is very reasonable.Any question(s) please feel free to contact us at:
SGDTRADE@126.COM
SGDTRADE@HOTMAIL.COM

[John Fairheart]

SQD is a con, a website set up to either sell counterfeit goods, or to steal money. The very mention of LACOSTE is enough for me to call you a scammer, and BAN you. Bye bye.

[FW Admin]

we are not a scammer
Yes, you are a scammer - in fact a group of scammers.
we are a real nike shoes supplier in china,below is our company info:
No, you do not supply real Nike or other goods - this has already been confirmed by the manufacturers themselves.
So our price is very reasonable.Any question(s) please feel free to contact us at: SGDTRADE@126.COM SGDTRADE@HOTMAIL.COM
Nice try at advertising your scams. These emails are both anonymous, freely obtainable ones - a typical scammer method.

As you can see this scammer has been banned.

[Unregistered]

Im sick and tired of these Chinese scammers. Visit :

http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/24628/Is_this_company_legit_Gold_Supplier.htm

LIDATRADE have conned thousands of people, if you type their name in on google you will see what I mean. They are making thousands daily from good people. PLEASE REPORT THIS 'COMPANY' to all scam sites and to ALIBABA who hopefully will finally do something about this. I have also been cheated by www.EBRANDBIZ.com.........be wary people!

[Brandt]

Can someone tell me about this firm?
Xiuyu Daitou Supply and Marketing Artel Communication
Adres:Daitoustreet,Daitoutown,Xiuyu District,Putian city,Fujian Province,China
Thanks,:thumbup1:

[John Fairheart]

Xiuyu Daitou Supply and Marketing

Not being Chinese even making a guess based on this very vague information would be next to impossible.

Supply us with quoted prices, terms of payment and maybe a website they have and someone may be able to help you.

Dealing with anyone inside China is going to be very risky because the level of counterfied goods within China is HUGE.

Personaly I would never deal with anyone who quotes prices under the equivalent market price of same goods in other wel known retail stores in my own country (either online or not). I would never send money via cash transfer, such as Western Union or MoneyGram, or Wire Transfer.

The comparison of quoted prices to the real manufacturer prices is ALWAYS the give away. If in doubt, go to the website of the REAL brand owner and ASK if they supply goods for resale to the company in China.

In all cases, buyer beware. If you cannot afford to loose the money -- DON'T send it.

[Spartan]

http://www.alibaba.com/company/10700492.html

ok if they are so big where is the website ?

Another scammer :

boonyamas@gmail.com
www.suriyafotodigital.in.th

I was looking for a genuine seller on Alibaba who sells the new Power mac Pro towers and books. it seems there are no real computer sellers out there?

I had 8 replies from companies who turned out all scammers all url's are removed at Alibaba.

This is a great site im glad I do my home work before sending money.

also big fraud watch out:

Granada Music Ltd
Jl.Kejaksaan No.12, Jakarta
Jakarta Raya Indonesia
081386995553

I needed to buy some Yamaha S90ES synthesizers. guess what. wanted Western Union. and or Bank transfer but I couldnt find info about this company in the Indonesian Yellow pages.

Lots of scam jobs going on in Indonesia. so I asked my Indonesian friend for advice too. there is Granada Music Centre which does exist when I confronted the scammer he replied it must be a coincidence.

I reported him to Alibaba it seems the links are gone now.

if anyone has a route where to get real macintosh computer deals on Alibaba let me know.

[SteveWilkie]

Has anyone ever dealt with these people

They seem legit but you never know

Thanks


Steve

[Daneel]

http://f2f.en.alibaba.com/contactinfo.html
http://www.f2ftrade.com/

This looks like just another common scam to me. In case they're not, everything they sell is definitely fake.

Why does it seem legit?

[Parmalat]

I found www.sgdtrade.com recently and I decided to place a trial order (3 pairs of shoes) just to see if the company does business or is a scam.
So I paid 144$ in advance to China and now I'm waiting for my order to arrive (Bucharest, Romania). At first, I wrote the receiver's name wrong on the Western Union green form and they asked me to change it because they can't withdraw the money. So I made a request to change the receiver's name and the same day the Chinese receiver had withdrawn the money.
I am absolutely sure the shoes are fake, but I wonder if I'll even receive anything or not. They did answer my mails after sending the money so there is some hope.
Also, I have seen that an Italian guy was scammed of 2100$ by someone from China and he filed a complaint to the Chinese police and the scammer was arrested immediately.
I'll keep you informed on how things are working out with this deal; at least we'll know not to trade with China

[philgraymarket]

include this on the list

Putian Duocai Fabric Co., Ltd.
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A Growing Scam company in Putian that is good in Covering their Scam Related Stories. They must be stop.
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If you want to submit a report about Alibaba Scam.
You can post it to http://www.alibaba-scam.info, let's make this as Alibaba Scam Repository, You can Click Victim to a Specific company if you are one of their victims. You can Share new companies, sahre your Stories. This is a Digg Like Anti-Scam website for Alibaba Scam.

[txhustla]

Not being Chinese even making a guess based on this very vague information would be next to impossible.

Supply us with quoted prices, terms of payment and maybe a website they have and someone may be able to help you.

Dealing with anyone inside China is going to be very risky because the level of counterfied goods within China is HUGE.

Personaly I would never deal with anyone who quotes prices under the equivalent market price of same goods in other wel known retail stores in my own country (either online or not). I would never send money via cash transfer, such as Western Union or MoneyGram, or Wire Transfer.

The comparison of quoted prices to the real manufacturer prices is ALWAYS the give away. If in doubt, go to the website of the REAL brand owner and ASK if they supply goods for resale to the company in China.

In all cases, buyer beware. If you cannot afford to loose the money -- DON'T send it.

Yeah but arent these items made in China?? Especially the clothes an shoes.

[Daneel]

Common mistake. Yes, many brand items are made in China, but that doesn't mean you have a chance in hell of importing from there as a small company or sole trader. You can't buy them directly from the factories as they are not allowed by the brand companies to sell or export on their own etc... These are things you really should look up for yourself before trying to run an import business. The cheapest you can get is usually a distributor in your own country, as those can deal in large amounts you could never dream of.

[justinelark]

Hi i was just kinda searching for the company name in the internet to check if it is legit and i saw a scam beside the word on the company im checking. and this is where it lead me. I have been trying since last month searching for suppliers but i just cant find the genuine one. I am using alibaba.com and ec21.com in searching suppliers. I was almost scammed today and was about to send $1000 thinking that the company is legit as the contact manager sent me a business certificate and a proforma invoice. i found this supplier in ec21.com but upon searching in alibaba i saw the same company and realised that the contact manager is different so i called the number in alibaba under this company name and told him the issue. He was to know that somebody is mirepresenting his company in ec21. well thats my money saved. I have cancelled so many wire transfer using western union as i always suspect fraud after sending it. if not because of the time difference between europe and asia the reciever might have pick up the money before i cancel the transcation. So now i dont know what proof i need from those companies for me to believe that they are legitimate company. They can send me a business certificate, send me a proforma invoice proof that they will send my goods and they have already made me and invoice, and even those with trustpass and gold suppliers cant be trusted either. Now my only other proof to check if they are real is if they have a website to advertise their products. Do you think im right? or is it very easy to make websites too? Can you please tell me what proofs i need from the company to make sure that are real. somebody has even me ask me the UKDATA.com to check their company but do you think they could have made it up too? i tried to call there number but nobody is answering. so i guess you need to call your suppliers too to check if they are real? Oh i dont know. I was scammed once told im getting original phone but sent me a fake phone. good thing i only bought one but still i lost $310. but anyway. i need somebody to guide me and help me know a scammer. ive been in contact with many suppliers thru email but dont know who to trust. thanks

[Nyla]

It's very easy for scammers to make websites. We have hundreds of websites listed in the forums which are owned by known scammers. And simply claiming to be a company listed in ukdata.com is easy, too. If you can look up a listing, so can a scammer. Then all they have to do is pretend to be that company. It's like looking up someone in the phone book and giving their name and address when people ask.

Unless you know what a genuine invoice and/or business certificate look like, those are easy to fake, too. Anyone can make a fake certificate on a computer. Even better if they know what a real one looks like, so they can fake it well.

Western Union is just like handing over cash to someone you can't identify. At the very least, a company should have a bank account in their company's name (not an individual). And if the prices look too good to be true, they are too good to be true.

It sounds as though you need to do some heavy research on importing before you try it again. Read Daneel's post above. Learn about how to find and contact distributors in your own country. You can usually start by asking the manufacturer.

[rowena7381]

Can someone tell me if this website is legit? i got that webiste from one of the emails sent to me thru alibaba. i notice that some pretending to be companies in alibaba are using somebody else's company name though they are using a different trade. the original company sell textiles and the lot but these pretending companies sell electronic goods and all. Now i check this website http://www.xtremetronics.biz/ and im tempted to buy ipod video 80 GB coz its cheap. But i also discovered that they sell apple Iphones as far as i know original apple iphones are not yet out in the market but copy iphones are widely manufactured in china. so can please somebody tell me if this website is real before i send them my payment? thanks a million ;)

[rowena7381]

i have another website here http://www.hi-mind.com. i need some help here.i am planning to buy mp4 players from them but not sure if they are real or not. I have dealt with so many scammers for the past month. most of them calls me on my landline and mobile. today they called my landline 4 times from 4 in the morning. they are so annoying. so i have change my number in alibaba, a fake number so prospective scammers cant call me anymore. once i know the caller sounds from nigeria or cant even pronounce my name right or speak english i know they are scammers.

[Nyla]

But i also discovered that they sell apple Iphones as far as i know original apple iphones are not yet out in the market but copy iphones are widely manufactured in china.

Right there is your answer. If a website claims to carry something it can't possibly legally or physically sell, then it's a scam. A person willing to lie about what they're selling will certainly have no qualms cheating you in other ways. Apple iPhones are only going to be available through cell phone carriers when they do come out, and will only be sold with service contracts.

hi-mind.com looks strangely amateurish (the designer didn't even bother to have consistent text/fonts on the same page), but it's registered until 2012 and I don't see any mentions of it being a scam elsewhere. However, if you pay by bank transfer, make sure the company at least has a bank account in the company name, not an individual's name.

[rowena7381]

Thanks for that. i must have thought so. though their website looks genuine. they all have this links at the side, saying ads by google and at the bottom of the page they have all the links for a proper website, like home. contact us link and so on. when i place the order i was given a choice of paying thru visa, paypal, WU, or MG. even their email address domain is using their company name (orders@xtremetronics.biz). They sent me an email to confirm my order of 10 units ipod video worth $1750. When they said that i have to pay thru WU i back off. ask them why i cant use paypal when im $1750, they said they only accept paypal for orders over $3000. so i told them to cancel my order. How to get rid of scammers? everyday since last week scammers have been calling my landline and mobile even in the middle of the night or early morning like 4 am. they will really do their best to convince you. So i have change my contact number to a false one for those prospective scammers who will try to call me. Thanks for this website i have gain more info about the scammers.

[Daneel]

They can be very persistent... I would recommend just ignoring their emails, and if they keep calling, just hang up on them immediately. No need to be polite with such criminals. Most of them will give up once they realise there's no chance you'll be paying them.

[rowena7381]

hi there im back again..can somebody please tell me if these website are genuine?
http://www.adijayamegah.com/
http://www.tigancorp.com
www.buanatronik.com
Http://www.fsisz.com

I am interested in buying mp3 players or ipod videos from these company but dont know if they are legit. i have emailed them and emailed me back using their company name as their domain name but im still thinking twice if they are authentic or not. And also do companies in asia cant provide bank accounts under company name? they said payment methods are WU, T/T, or e-gold.com. I dont know what e-gold is and how its done. I have never encountered a company in asia be it in indonesia, china, or HK that offers bank transfer to their company name. Or maybe thats just the way it is in asia esp in those countries? I want to start a business of buying products and have it auction in e-bay or wherever but problem is, its very hard to find genuine suppliers and once they say payment method method is WU i instantly think this is a scammer. But i have been in contact with more than a hundred suppliers now, coz i find them in ec21, alibaba, asianproducts.com, made in china,trade in india, global sources and tradekey but all of them wants WU as payment method. Im thinking maybe they dont really put their bank accounts under their company name but under the personal name of the owner. Its impossible for a month of contacting them i still havent found a company that accepts payment as bank transfer under the company name. thanks

[Nyla]

I took a quick look at all of these, and my initial impressions tell me to stay away from them.

This translation of a thread in the French subforum indicates the first is a scam.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D30832&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dadijayamegah.com%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DyP1

I would have to say tigancorp.com is a scam or counterfeiter just from the prices. There's no way they could afford to sell you a genuine 80GB iPod for essentially 50% of the retail price. In the case of most electronics, you're going to spend at least 70 - 80% of the retail price, and that's even if you buy wholesale and in bulk. The risky payment terms are unsettling, too.

buanatronik.com appears to be a scam.

http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/35289/my_list_of_scammers.htm

fsisz.com appears to be highly questionable. http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/26938/What_do_you_guys_think_about_FSI_Computers_and_Electronics_S upplier_.htm
Just from this post, they could be selling replicas/counterfeits and promoting them like they're authentic goods.

[Theo Ramsey]

THIS WAS POSTED BY A SCAMMER - AN ACCOMPLICE FOR TIGAN CORP

i was done the transaction with Tigan Corp in few week ago. in first i am worried too to buy from them but i try in sample order and pay them thorugh wire Transfer. And now Tigan Corp is legit company cause i was get my order but need the time to get it. maybe if you make an order from them and done the payment you needed time too.

[yunita_kuan]

I think Tigan Corp is Legitimate Company my friend was try to buy from them and was got his order in 3 days ago.

[Daneel]

The two people above calling themselves Yunita Kuan and Theo Ramsey are sitting at the same computer. You should never trust anonymous endorsements on internet forums.

Tigan Corp looks like a complete scam to me. As Nyla said, their prices are ridiculous. The domain is registered to a free email address, one month ago and for one year only, which is fairly typical for scam sites. Wire transfer and WU are typical payment options for Indonesian scammers. The same phone number is used by a "Gundaling Corp" at www.gundaling.com, and that seems to be the same scammer.

And Eddy, you misspelled "Playstation" on the front page.

[maosky]

Hi,

First and foremeost, I'm a newbie here in this forum, so im not sure if I'm posting in the right thread. Just registered a few minutes ago.


I am about to venture into international trading (mobile phones) and am doing my own little homework verifying legitimacy of company. I just would like to verify if these companies are legit (all of which can be found in Alibaba) before diving in:

www.calisson.com.cn
http://www.dtbak.com
www.AsiaSources.net

I did a couple of email conversation with them and seem to be legit to me. But with all scammers all over, I need to be very cautious.

Payment Term for small quantity is T/T 100%
but they also accept L/C

Would also appreciate,If you could also refer me to legitemate Chinese companies selling mobile and electronic products.

Thanks,

[Daneel]

You should probably take a few steps back and read up a lot before you even think about diving into this. There are tons of people already trying to sell mobile phones and other electronics over the internet, those who succeed are those who have knowledge about international trade and plenty of capital, all the rest simply become food for the tons of scammers who are also out there. One thing you should know is that you can't get new authentic brand name mobiles from China. There are only scams, counterfeits, and in a few cases it can be refurbished. If Chinese people want brand name mobiles, they actually import them from elsewhere, the idea that you can get them cheap in China is as far as I know a dumb myth that gets thousands of people scammed.

If you really need to verify a Chinese company then there are those you can pay for this purpose. We can't perform professional due diligence or endorse companies here, only warn you of the common scams, like these for example:
http://fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3871

[kieranmobilephones]

As a very street wise Londoner I started this week to look to see if I could buy cheap or cheaper goods to sell here in the U.K.

I have sent an enormous amount of e amils and had a very mixed reply, I was looking to buy Nokia N95, okay many admitted they were fake, at a lead in price $140.00, then I am quoted between $255 - $320 - assured 100% they are genuine Nokia made in Finland. then I see other sites saying only if you pay $700 plus then they are genuine.

Now lets face facts, for this type of product I need acertain price to make money, many of the suppliers were very open that they had fake for sale, that did not have all or many missing functions. (if I thought I could get a fake out of China, into the U.K, on sale on Amazon / E bay or other with out key functionality with out getiing caught out some where then I or you all must be mad to deal in theis wild west climate!! This is without even worrying about the chance of no goods, shoddy goods, they send you a real first or good first sample - so you order 25! scenarios.

The more I read these blogs I am disappointed, one I hoped to be able to start a trading company on a small scale, two I find the amount of con merchants out there dispicable, three - if there are genuine sellewrs of products the at this rate they will lose out, four - I feel really sorry for those who are being robbed, five - howver how some of you are still asking if it is okay to go ahead and send money by WU out there is beyond me!!

Really quite frankly if you do then you deserve to lose your money!

Now to a more serious point for us all, 1) I see that there are various middle men popping up, are they any good? 2) Is there no way that a forum like this where as with E Bay / Amazon genuine people can be to some degree be recognised and we can talk to each other? 3) If there are decent companies to trade with can we not get a list between us who they are? 4) I read there are specific trade shows in China, are they good, anybody been, are companies who attend checked?

On an earlier blog a guy called John from Liverpool posted to say all was good with a company from his point of view, other posters say not, he put his address on the site, I go to Liverpool all the time. let me go and see if is legit, or not?

I have spent a lot of time on this over the last two weeks, let's take some action and move forward, there are too many people posting asking to check companies out, it seems no one really knows.

Sorry for my rant, I hope you feel it is constructive, look forward to your replies.

K

[Daneel]

So you are considering buying counterfeit Nokia phones and sell them off as real?

[maosky]

So you are considering buying counterfeit Nokia phones and sell them off as real?

Most definitely and absolutley not. I have no intention of misleading buyers to purchasing counterfiet. My intention is to test/introduce the market for China designed mobile phones here in the Philippines and not sell counterfeits. Also looking into Korean, Taiwan manufacturers

Followed your advise on reading previous and related post and was suprised by the overwhelming extent of fraudelent "companies".

[Daneel]

Most definitely and absolutley not

I was asking kieranmobilephones there. If you are looking for Chinese mobile brands, you should probably first of all avoid any site claiming to sell the famous brands. Getting some professional assistance is still most likely the easiest way before trying to deal with China, here are a few options:
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/17109/List_of_Chinese_Helpers_verify_source_inspect_and_or_report_ .htm

[Nyla]

Really quite frankly if you do then you deserve to lose your money!

No one, and I mean absolutely no one, deserves to lose money to a scammer.


Now to a more serious point for us all, 1) I see that there are various middle men popping up, are they any good?

Every person who handles a product expects a profit. You can expect to pay as much as 90% of retail for a typical cell phone, even if you buy in enormous bulk at wholesale prices, directly from the manufacturer. Most cell phone carriers that sell phones with a contract are LOSING money on the phone itself.


2) Is there no way that a forum like this where as with E Bay / Amazon genuine people can be to some degree be recognised and we can talk to each other? 3) If there are decent companies to trade with can we not get a list between us who they are?

The anonymity of the internet makes it easy for scammers to go unrecognized. That's why we suggest getting a credit reporting company to do commercial due diligence. They check registrations and credit histories, which are harder to fake than websites and contact details.

And we can't be seen as "endorsing" commercial sites. The minute we do, we lose the appearance of objectivity. There are trading sites that allow users to leave feedback. That's probably about as close to a free public list detailing the reliability of companies as you're going to get.

[kieranmobilephones]

I wont get into a debate on losing the money, you are correct -no one deseves to lose, it was the end of a frustrating day.

Howver after all my doubt i am still looking, I am lkooking at a company called IREX www.irex.cn, maker of Adult toys etc. they seem to be much more genuine, offering payment on delivery if I have an account with DHL, this does seem to be a more secure way. Any one any thoughts, I am looking on line and they seem good to me??

Any help will be appreciated, and of course there will always be a cool beer waiting for you in London!!

[Nyla]

The website had been registered since 2004 and a quick Google doesn't turn up any complaints of scamming or fraud connected with the domain.

However, the exact same cautions apply to any Chinese seller. We would still suggest paying for commercial due diligence and staying away from unsafe payment methods. And actually researching to see what reasonable wholesale prices are for a particular brand or type of goods.

[kieranmobilephones]

Hi, totally agree, part of this process is searching and checking and then doing it again, this is the first company to offer me a payment on delvery if I have an account with DHL, so it is a start in the right direction.

As for commercial pricing, also a major part of research and part of any business plan. In my original e mail I was trying to say that there is no point in trying to buy Fake Nokia phones when there are so many points to trip up on. I think the difficulty for any potential buyters is some readily admit they sell fakes or copies unbranded, otherts ask for double and insist they are 100% genuine, so even if you try to buy genuine you have the potential to be ripped off big time, as you guys have said if the price is so low then cannot be ligit! one thing is puzzling me though, take for example the ebay.co.uk site, there are many Nokia N95 phones for sale, some are listed as non wanted upgrade, however others are obviously power sellers and other large traders selling multiple phones, A nokia N95 swould sell for £550 -£600 sterling out of contract, they are trading on E bay between £160.00 - £275.00 sterling. so my question is to all out there are these all genuine or are some of these fakes from China??