Chinese Import/Export Fake Contract "Guilin" Scam

[jkefa]

This is for the business members of this site - but all can give me their opinion if I'm excessively paranoid & defensive.

I received an email from a company wanting to buy stock from me.
I'm based in Melbourne Australia, and sell premixed coffees - the prospective buyer is Chinese.
They request a price list - I OK this.
They come back with an order of $400k of stock.
I suggest they should buy a sample lot first ~$15k
They are firm - they want $400k... who am I to argue.:D
I suggest 100% prepayment - they say 50% - we agree on 80%
Now they want me to visit them to sign an agreement.
OK - $3000 for the round trip isn't a lot of $ - but the week spent??? would be OK if my spidy senses weren't tingling.

I've asked for their DUNS#, company registration # ... still waiting.

Is my experience common?
Am I overly cautious? .:dunno:
I welcome informed comments

jkefa :confused:
Maybe we can have a coffee together if you are in Melbourne some time.

[Nyla]

Well, admittedly, that doesn't sound quite like the usual scam approach, but you're right to be suspicious. Generally, scammers will try to avoid actually meeting when trying to buy a large order and not pay for it completely. It's possible they think you'll decline to spend the money and time to come see them in person and are just bluffing on that point. A few possible scenarios did present themselves, though, when I thought about it.

What is the payment method you agreed upon? I doubt, with an amount that large, that they could be planning a credit card scam. They could, however, be planning to "flash" your bank account if it's a bank transfer. Scammers sometimes fund a bank transfer with a bad/forged check and the money appears to be there until the fraud is discovered. (Or, similarly, they could just pay with a bad/forged check. With an international transaction like this, it could be quite a while before the fraud is discovered. Several weeks.) If you were to send the merchandise before the bank informs you, it's unlikely you would be able to stop it mid-shipping. More rarely, scammers have been found to have accomplices inside banks that will set up, then reverse, a bank transfer.

There's also the possibility that they just plan on scamming you for your "favors" while you're in China, "finalizing the deal". I've heard a few accounts of people going to China to work on business deals, spending a few days wining, dining and entertaining "company executives", only to find that at the end of the visit, they were stuck with an exorbitant entertainment bill and no lucrative business deal.

It does seem extremely odd that they wouldn't want to take the smaller risk and place a smaller order. If they did actually pay the 80% up front then stiff you on the additional 20%, that would still be a tidy $80,000 they've stolen from you. Even if it's a fully registered, legitimate company, you might have a great deal of trouble taking international criminal or civil legal action against them.

[Daneel]

Third option I'd say, there is this type of scam where they make a huge order, and insist that you come to China. Then you have to pay for dinners, gifts, hotel bills etc... and at some point they simply disappear. Here are some articles on it:
http://www.marketnewzealand.com/mnz/News/Story/14403/17038.aspx
http://www.eastmids-china.co.uk/potentialscamsalert.html
http://www.chinabusinessservices.com/blog/?p=419
http://www.buyusa.gov/pittsburgh/366.html
http://www.chinasnippets.com/2006/03/03/chinese-business-scams-china-fever/
http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=898967
What you describe fits the profile, and these particular scammers are not afraid to meet their victims in person. I would suggest refusing to come to China and see what happens, if they keep insisting they are probably running a scam. You didn't mention the name of the company, but try searching it in Google. There are also those you can hire to check out Chinese companies, here are some options:
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/17109/List_of_Chinese_Helpers_verify_source_inspect_and_or_report_ .htm

[jkefa]

I hadn't heard about the "wining, dining & leaving you with the bill" scam before - other than business people in "foreign" [or at times local] bars & pretty women doing the scamming.:oops:

Further to all this - I've been told there is no DUNs # but given a registration number... I'll need to find how to validate this.

Thanks again... and for your information
1) the Chinese company is insisting I go to China
2) google searches show this company registered with a variety of trading houses in July 07... but no independent/credible references
3) the trading contacts are all different persons, all representing themselves as purchasing managers.

Spidy senses are going berserk!!!

Thanks for your comments
oh... by the way the company I'm dealing with is LiAng Touzi in Guilin.
Any personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.;)
thanks
jkefa

[Daneel]

There has been more than one such scam company from Guilin:
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/10661/GuiLin_ShengJing_Investment_CO_LTD_.htm
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/18008/Does_anybody_know_the_company_Guilin_ShengJing_Investment_CO _LTD_.htm
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/42890/Guilin_Youlianshiye_Co_Ltd.htm
http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/47682/Guilin_Tenghui_International_Investment_Co_Ltd_OUTRIGHT_FRAU D.htm

[jkefa]

Thanks for your replies.
Very enlightening.

The model seems to be the same as that used previously.
I've made a point to suggesting some controls to the Alibaba site - which was the original lead mechanism.

Also noted... a lot of anger :x out there for the companies that lure unsuspecting [maybe a touch greedy or at least over zealous] businesses.

cheers to all.

jkefa
Nylar...Daneel - IOU a coffee!

[jkefa]

For those following the drama unfold...

Emails are now "bouncing"... no such person.
Who would have guessed.

Thanks again for your insight.

Cheers from downunder.

Jkefa:thumbup1:

[Daneel]

:thumbup1:

[JPG]

Just received over a $400,000USD order from the company you talk about. I was suspicious right away .... and rightly so.
There must be a better way to warn people.
Here is her contact info:
Lisa
LiAng Touzi Co.
E-MAIL: latzcn007@yahoo.com.cn
The company is: wwww.latzcn.com and is hosted by a company known for allowing fraud on their sites, XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION.
Trade portals are great, until you get more fraud, more scams and more spam that real business.

[escrow-fraud]

Just received over a $400,000USD order from the company you talk about. I was suspicious right away .... and rightly so.
There must be a better way to warn people.
Here is her contact info:
Lisa
LiAng Touzi Co.
E-MAIL: latzcn007@yahoo.com.cn
The company is: wwww.latzcn.com and is hosted by a company known for allowing fraud on their sites, XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION.
Trade portals are great, until you get more fraud, more scams and more spam that real business.

perhaps is bettter. 3 w's only....;)

[jkefa]

I'm interested to know what happened to you.

If you would rather keep it private... that's OK - otherwise maybe we can email each other?

Thanks
jkefa

[nunnyx]

Dear All

I've been contacted by Liang Touzi Co, because they wish to buy wine for 300,000 usd. At the beginning I talked to Bonny Li, now I'm talking with Cathleen. They asked me for samples, but as they do not have importation licence, I preferred to not send samples. So they asked for analysis. I send some analisys but in Italian language. They said they would have done some market researches and then they will place the order. They will also send a contract and obviuosly invited me to go to China.

What do you advise to do? Still having correspondance with them in order to see until what point they will arrive or stopping it right now?
Thanks

[jkefa]

NunnyX

My dealing with this company:
1) They have no Duns & Bradstreet number. How can any company dealing in hundreds of thousands of dollars not have DUNs# credit report.
2) All public info regarding this company is from May 07 onwards... therefore company is not very old.
3) Web info is essentiall references to various trading web sites such as Alibaba - these are an open platform with no true evaluation of validation.
4) They wanted to buy $A400,000 of stock from me - but did not want to by any samples. Don't know about your experience - but I haven't found anyone that trusting [or naive] in the passed. Most would require 1 or 2 units of each product to evaluate.


All in all - I now think they are a waste of time & I wouldn't spend any money on them.

I hope this helps.

[jkefa]

NunnyX

The way I approached it is..are they serious in buying my product?
So I suggest that before you spend money going to China [please refer to the links on earlier postings] get them to buy samples.
I would suggest they shouldn't need any agreement to purchase $U3,000 [or more] sample stock.
Maybe you try to get them to purchase enough sample stock to partially fund your China trip?

I found that when I started doing this - their English became quite poor & they didn't understand. :confused:

I even offered they purchase samples I would discount their "big" order by the purchase amount - nil response.

Hope this helps.
jkefa:thumbup1:

[watertonkorea]

We have rcved order from them last month, it was almost $320,000.00.
But, They insisted of signing on Contract in their china office.
Yes, I thougt, I could get over to sign on Contract, but, something was very suspicious.
1.They sent e-mail us, saying that they are very intersting our products and want to import and sell them in their china market.
* I can not understand that, they are goin to sell in their market?
- How can they sell $320,000 of beauty salon equipment without any market research?.
- They did not ask us for any evaluation sample,( Salon electric equipment is sensitive and high technical machine, and also, it should be made for electric outlet of their market, that's way, they need an evaluation sample)


2.They asked Quotaion, and as soon as they rcved our Quotion, they sent us their contract , asking visit their office to sign on.
- We want to amend price term, Wire Transfer, 100% in advance, they say, "YES"-but, they told me , you should be china and sign on contact first.!!!
- We have been exporting our product to U.S.A,Japan for 4years, but, I never experience this case of BZ.

*. Finally, I think, their most important thing is not price, produts.
Pls. Be away from Them.
B.rgds
JEONG

[mpl]

Same company, same story. No samples want to place £200,000 order, send contract offering 50% T/T then 50% open L/C on peoples bank of china. Now they are keen for us to go to China to sign contract. They are offering to book hotels etc etc. Nasty smell about it all
Cheers

[njh1959]

I've got the same story! Large order for premium foods we produce in England. Price agreed OK. Money to be upfront. Please visit us in China next week to sign the contract.
Has anyone actually been to visit?
I'm suspicious because -
1. they haven't looked at the technical spec of the products enough
2. they don't want to do any trials
but, its a big market so i don't want to walk away if it is genuine!

Advice please!

[Maulwurf]

We are contacted by this company as well asking us for canned luncheon meat. They explained us that they are part of a state enterprise buying in large quantities--- bull****
They have no registration and nothing.
Without having any price quota from us, they asked if we will give discount.
These are gamblers to be compared with unserious peoüples from Africa, taking contact for fishing samples and money transfer for sample shipment. Take care !
Maulwurf


Dear All

I've been contacted by Liang Touzi Co, because they wish to buy wine for 300,000 usd. At the beginning I talked to Bonny Li, now I'm talking with Cathleen. They asked me for samples, but as they do not have importation licence, I preferred to not send samples. So they asked for analysis. I send some analisys but in Italian language. They said they would have done some market researches and then they will place the order. They will also send a contract and obviuosly invited me to go to China.

What do you advise to do? Still having correspondance with them in order to see until what point they will arrive or stopping it right now?
Thanks

[sfquique]

Just received same order for over 300.000 US FOB in wines, without samples, we changed prices they dont care at all. They only want us to go to their office and sign contract for ong lasting happyness......
By the way, our CEO instructed an investigation on company:

Liang Touzi Co.
Address：JunLong High-rise NO.1 MaoTang Road,NO.8 XinJian GaoXin District Guilin 541004,Guangxi P.R. China
Tel：+86-773-3339583
Fax: +86-773-5838068

Ang Li: latzcn015@yahoo.com.cn Contact:Molly Mo

Phones are not correct, peolpe are suspicious.
They suposedly sell many things and you cant reach them anywhere by phone.

PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL IN LOSING PRECIOUS TIME ON THESE FRAUDS:thumbup:

[akis76]

Hello. Thanks for your stories above, they really saved me from troubles.

I got an order for 230.000 Euros for construction materials that require very specialised application. They told me that their market prospects were based on their market research with customers in their mall. Quite a surprise considering these products are used primarily by engineers, and construction companies. Something smelt fishy.

They were also very prompt in sending me an invitation letter for the Chinese Embassy in Athens so that I could get a visa to travel. They were pressuring me to visit Guilin and meet their CEO straight away.

They also offered to book me a hotel for 120USD per night, although I found top hotels in Guilin on the internet for only 50 USD!

[jkefa]

Klase toos... einai pseftes...
krata ta hrimata soo kai pigene sta bouzoukia - ligotera problimata.


jkefa:thumbup1:

[mannyv1]

I'm sorry to say I was scammed, everything I have read is accurate in every way. They agreed to our price, invited us to China to sign a contract. They even set you up with a chauffer and escort. All very well presented. We had our meetings, signed the contract. Thats when the scam takes effect - they take you to an art gallery or silk factory to buy an expensive gift for their "chairman". Needless to say, 1 month after our trip they have yet to deposit 1 penny into our account. Of course the risk was minimal from our perspective as no goods ever shipped. But it was an expensive waste of time!

[ADL]

last year i got a big order from a company and they asked me to visit them in china to sign the contract of which they send me a copy the terms very ambigous so I asked them to visit me in my country since they never contacted me. you are not atall over cautious its our duty to know more and more about the company we are going to establish a business relation. ITS OUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT IT IN DOUBTS & RISKS. business deals are OBVIOUS and not doubtful.
This is for the business members of this site - but all can give me their opinion if I'm excessively paranoid & defensive.

I received an email from a company wanting to buy stock from me.
I'm based in Melbourne Australia, and sell premixed coffees - the prospective buyer is Chinese.
They request a price list - I OK this.
They come back with an order of $400k of stock.
I suggest they should buy a sample lot first ~$15k
They are firm - they want $400k... who am I to argue.:D
I suggest 100% prepayment - they say 50% - we agree on 80%
Now they want me to visit them to sign an agreement.
OK - $3000 for the round trip isn't a lot of $ - but the week spent??? would be OK if my spidy senses weren't tingling.

I've asked for their DUNS#, company registration # ... still waiting.

Is my experience common?
Am I overly cautious? .:dunno:
I welcome informed comments

jkefa :confused:
Maybe we can have a coffee together if you are in Melbourne some time.

[NEALBOXN]

this message is to the person planning a trip to Guilin, China BE CAREFUL!!! I was invited to Guilin in May of last year in which I paid my plane fair to visit and they were there to pick me me up at the airport and drove me to hotel, where they paid expenses for accomadations.

I then was scheduled to meet the president and discuss business and sign contract after, that was finalized , I assume everything was valid, UNTIL, I was then asked to go to an art museum to purchase a portrait for the incoming visitor who was set-up to visit me at our company location to verify our company capability and exchange gifts, in which I was informed was Chinese tradition for business.The portrait was $2500.00 it was the ugliest picture you ever seen, I informed them that I did not have the money currently to purchase, even though I had a pocket full of money.

Another lady representative then came and began arguing with me in Chinese saying things I am sure that I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO COMPREHEND.

After, I informed them I was not interested in purchasing they then took me back to my hotel and did not want to take me back to airport the next dAY, UNTIL ,WE FINALLY CAME TO CONCLUSION THAT THEY WOULD.

They never fulfilled their promise of business of the contract but it was very learning experiece that I wanted to share for someone in the future

[ToobaHasan]

Another Chinese company approaching us for the imports for stone decorative items. Following are their details...

http://www.topbying.com.cn
Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co.,ltd.
Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319
Address; 1-2nd floor, 10-11building, longyinyuanⅠZone, No.28, Shijiayuan,
Qixing district, Guilin,
Guangxi Province, PRC.
Post Code：541004

Is this yet another scam?? Does anyone know about them?

[poirot]

Here are the WHOIS registration details:
Domain Name: topbying.com.cn
ROID: 20080603s10011s69479236-cn
Domain Status: ok
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Name:
Administrative Email: ***@aaa.com
Sponsoring Registrar:
Name Server:ns2.xinnet.cn
Name Server:ns2.xinnetdns.com
Registration Date: 2008-06-03 09:06
Expiration Date: 2009-06-03 09:06

Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co.,ltd.
Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319
Address; 1-2nd floor, 10-11building, longyinyuanⅠZone, No.28, Shijiayuan,
Qixing district, Guilin, Guangxi Province, PRC.
Post Code：541004
E-mail: tophowboying@yahoo.com.cn

There is little substance in their web site, just vague claims:
We are a state-owned company with large enterprise of powerful strength, and rich experience, and authorized by the District People's Government and the Administration for Industry and Commerce examination, committed to the international well-known products in the Chinese market. We imported products directly from foreign factory, without intermediate links and get friends’ trustfulness by faith and excellent service.
Since our company has been established, operating authentic brand, keep improving and the pursuit of excellence is our consistently philosophy.

Not a word about how long they have been in business. In fact, for a company that claims to import an incredible variety of products, there is little to back up their claim. I would think China is more likely to produce and export many products topbying.com.cn claim they import.

They claim to be a state-owned company but not a single contact other than those two phone numbers. Sate owned companies would likely involve some connection with the Chinese bureaucracy.

This looks like just another Chinese import scam. They will probably will invited you to China for the signing of documents. They will then ask for various expensive gifts or some advance payment.

According to this thread on Alibaba, (http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/267452/Guilin_Union_Guangxi_Union_SCAM_.htm?message=360640) Guilin China is a hotbed of this particular scam. Those scam web sites also used Chinese domain suffix (.com.cn).

A Google search (http://www.google.ca/search?q=Guilin+scam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) turns up hundreds of post that seems to back up that claim.

[janemadison]

Did you do business with the following company. If so, what was the outcome?

Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co. ,ltd.
Address: 1-2nd floor, 10-11building,
longyinyuan Zone, No.28
Shijiayuan,Qixing district
Guilin, Guangxi Province, PRC.

Tel: +86-773-5619998
Fax: +86-773-5809319

Contact E mail: Sharon at <tophowf6@yahoo.com.cn>

Their Chinese business certification number is 450305000010663 (1-1)

[poirot]

Here's another red flag that points to topbying.com.cn being a fraud.

Guangxi BoYing TradingCo,ltd (http://www.arabtradezone.com/View-Profile/43306/-----------Guangxi-BoYing-TradingCo,ltd.html)
Our company is newly established foreign trade company mainly engage in international purchase business. Our sale team is made up of over one thousand of people here. And our sale region covers the south of China, Include Guangxi, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, and part of Shanxi province(over 180 million populations).We are looking for some suitable and high quality products with marketing potentials, according to our business development needs.

Same exact message was used under another company name (http://www.wdbiz.net/china-suppliers/Guilin-HuaNeng-International-Trading-Co-ltd/112666.htm), also considered a scam:
Guilin HuaNeng (International) Trading Co.,ltd
Our company is newly established foreign trade company mainly engage in international purchase business. Our sale team is made up of over one thousand of people here. And our sale region covers the south of China, Include Guangxi, Guizhou, Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, and part of Shanxi province(over 180 million populations).We are looking for some suitable and high quality products with marketing potentials, according to our business development needs.

[anonymous]

I recently received request for purchase contract from above company.
But mine was about import for fashion accessory.
I can't believe that the one company imports both stone decorative items and fashion accessory at the same time.

They must be Chinese import scam.

[poirot]

I can't believe that the one company imports both stone decorative items and fashion accessory at the same time.

They must be Chinese import scam.

I agree. Here's the ridiculous list posted on their web site (http://www.topbying.com.cn/profile.asp):
Apparel, Luggage? Personal Care? Medical Equipment? Cleaning Equipment
Distribution Systems? Office Equipment? Domestic Appliances
Paper Materials and Products? Visual Equipment? Plastic and Rubber Materials
Electrical, Lighting Components? Electronic Components? Printing, Audio
Entertainment, Education? Food Beverage, Tobacco? Furniture, Furnishings
Service Industry Machinery? Handling, Storage Equipment?
Sports, Recreational Equipment ?Tools, General Machinery? Transport Vehicles

With import scams, the larger the list, the larger the bait.

[ToobaHasan]

The moment we asked them for the references of foreign suppliers they have imported from, they were vanished.

I think Chinese embassy should be informed about these scams.

[AdmirerDr]

The moment we asked them for the references of foreign suppliers they have imported from, they were vanished.

I think Chinese embassy should be informed about these scams.

We have our own office in Beijing - should you require any assistance, do let me know. I will post the contact details here.
Cheers !

子貢問曰:"有一言 而可以終身行之者乎? " 子曰: "其恕乎!己所 不欲,勿施於人."
诸葛亮(博士)

[poirot]

AdmirerDr, it would be preferable that you not post your contact details publicly and use PM instead.

[Pornthep]

Hi you guys all.

I just got E mail from this company last week wanted to buy about baby products from our company. For the second E mail they're accept our price list and then they want us to send lots of sample to them. Anyone please recommend us what should I do because I do not have expereince about this method. Is that the true company or just spam?

Thank You
Pornthep

[Honey Broker]

The Guangxi BoYing (International) Trading Co emailed me a contract to buy honey packed in drums. I was already aware about the possibility of the scam once the "buyer" did not present any technical knowledge about the commodity. The buyer sent me a contract to a certain type of honey that is only tradeable in Germany ! Besides, China is the largest honey producer in the world..... 100% Scam.

[Whiskyman]

I am a new user to this site and a quick look through the posts doesn't reveal anything, as far as I can see, about the "Guilin scam".

This is very clever, and took me in, so I speak from bitter experience and personal cost. I am hoping that by posting the details here I am going to be preventing rather then encouraging further frauds, I can only hope that the majority of readers of this site are business people who want to prevent fraud rather than to start them...

It starts of with an approach from a Chinese company to buy your product, a few quick formalities but really you don't have to do anything - just show that you have a product which is suitable for the Chinese market. They place a big order and invite you to China to meet their bosses to sign the contract - as "all" Chinese business is done "face to face".

The names of these companies keeps changing as various victims start to post warnings to others but the names of the companies that I have so far come across, having been in touch with several of the other victims are;

Guanxi Union, Guilin Union, Guilin Youlian, Guilin Dongxin, Lyon International, Liang Touzi, Guanxi Kangyuan, Guilin Shenjing, Guilin Youlianshiye, Guilin Zho To, Guilin Changlong, Guilin Hua Neng, Guilin Shengwei, Guilin Tenghui and many others...

The latest names being Yinglian Universal Trading and Guilin Yolon. My advice to everyone is to treat anythign coming out of China with a considerable degree of caution, as it is not just Guilin where the scammer hang out, also Zhenghou, Xi'an, and many others. It is just that the Guilin scam is particularly clever and likely to take potential victims in more than some of the others.

The scam is more sophisticated than some others as they say that the big boss is not there at the moment but would like to come and visit you after the first order has come through. You sign the contracts and it is suggested that it is customary to buy the big boss a present and this is likely to be a painting as he likes a certain local artist's paintings of the local area which are becoming valuable and famous.

You are then taken to the Guilin Art Musuem, which is actually just a gallery, an impressive looking building, but then in view of the number of paintings they sell it is not surprising... You are recommended to buy a certain artist's painting and take it back home with you to present to the big boss when he comes to visit you.

You have an order in your brief case, you have bought an expensive painting, from a third party company, you are taking the painting home with you - for someone as slow as me I did not see where the scam was coming from, and neither did many others.

When you get home of course the funds for the purchase don't come through and you have difficulty in getting hold of anyone.

I got the painting valued, it may be worth 10% of the purchase price paid for it. One point worth mentioning is that most of these paintings are done by artists who have an association with the Guilin University; may be this is where the brains for the scam came from, who knows? The local Police don't want to know, many have tried to contact them with absolutely no result, the national Police are no better either.

This scam is going on week on week out, hundreds of victims have been had by this, just look at the forum pages on Alibaba to see some of the comments and stories.

I have tried to get the Chinese Embassy in London inerested in this, I have given them dossiers of information from many of the victims, but nothing has happened, all that has changed in the names of the companies in Guilin, but the people are the same Wang Kung, Kobur (Michael) Lee, Paris Long and a number of others.

I am showing below, I hope, photographs of two of the perpetrators, the key men, they are so arrogant about not getting caught that they have no qualms about having their photos taken.

[Whiskyman]

I can only post two pictures with the original post so am hoping that I can post some more with this...

The two pictures above are of Wang Kuang, on the left and Kobur Lee on the right. Below is a picture of Paris Long, who is also known as Amanda. I have others but this site won't allow them to be published as the files sizes are too large.

I hope this helps.

[Nyla]

There's a reference to a similar face-to-face scam in this thread. http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10377

I've read other accounts of people being wooed with talk of big contracts and potential business being asked to come to China and treat the "owners" of the business to expensive lunches and gifts, only to find that they wined and dined the potential business partners for nothing. This just appears to be a slightly more sophisticated outgrowth of that scam.

Similarly, traditional 419 scams, which don't tend to be based in China, may include requests for "bribes" or "gifts" for imaginary government officials who can help speed up whatever imaginary "business transaction" the scammer claims to offer.

[Daneel]

Thanks for the information. This type of scam has been mentioned a few times on the forum:
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10377
http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=64704

A Google search will find tons of similar stories, on Alibaba and other places:
http://www.google.com/search?q=china+guilin+scam

We occasionally have people contact us about these types of situations and I usually point them towards those threads and warn them that if they keep insisting on the trip to China, chances are it's this type of scam they're dealing with.

Just as with 419 scams I doubt it's possible to actually stop them without getting the Chinese police interested, it's more widespread then a few people or a single gang. Education is the only useful way of fighting them.

[anton100]

i am new in this forum and want to warn anybody not to buy
an article on
http:/www.ccsele.com

This site exists about 4 months and the owner is known in internetfraude
matters.
For me this is a proven fraud internetsite.

[capey]

I can only post two pictures with the original post so am hoping that I can post some more with this...

The two pictures above are of Wang Kuang, on the left and Kobur Lee on the right. Below is a picture of Paris Long, who is also known as Amanda. I have others but this site won't allow them to be published as the files sizes are too large.

I hope this helps.[/B]

We were also scammed by Mr Wang Kuang of Yolon Trade - Guilin

[Whiskyman]

Everything here is true, I went to Guilin, lured by the lucrative contract, as you see above no goods were sent so where was the problem? Please see my posting elsewhere on this site which gives the full story of how the scam works, www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=71618

I have also managed to post a couple of photographs of two of the key men of the organsiations involved. They keep changing the names of the company, but the names I know include;
Guanxi Union, Guilin Union, Guilin Youlian, Guilin Dongxin, Lyon International, Liang Touzi, Guanxi Kangyuan, Guilin Shenjing, Guilin Youlianshiye, Guilin Zho To, Guilin Changlong, Guilin Hua Neng, Guilin Shengwei, Guilin Tenghui, the latest names being Yinglian Universal Trading and Guilin Yolon.

Similar, but less sophisticated scams also operate from Zhengzhou, Xi'an, and now many other Chinese cities. Please remember - if it looks too good to be true then it is...

[Africa for export]

Said they are importing Brass crafts, i suspected because China is a producer for EVERYTHING how could possibly they want to import Brass crafts from Egypt

Africa for export

[poirot]

Here's the latest:
http://springfieldimpex.com
Springfield Impex Co., Ltd
TEL: +86-773-3959603
867733959603 - 7733959603
info@springfieldimpex.com

Springfield Impex Co., Ltd is a large private enterprise in the filed of the exploitation of the real estate,the investment of the items and so on, and its total asset is more than RMB2,600,000,000.It owns more than 18 filiales,and they are dealing with more than 21 kinds of industries.There are approx.2800 staffs in this group.

REGISTRY WHOIS FOR SPRINGFIELDIMPEX.COM
Expiration Date: 2010-01-08
Creation Date: 2009-01-08
Last Update Date: 2009-01-08
Registrant:
Organization : hehui
Name : hehui
Address : kingofbuildingguilin537
City : guilin
Province/State : Guangxi
Country : CN
Postal Code : 541002

Administrative Contact:
Name : hehui
Organization : hehui
Address : kingofbuildingguilin537
City : guilin
Province/State : Guangxi
Country : CN
Postal Code : 541002
Phone Number : 86-0773-2106310
Fax : 86-0773-2106310
Email : Email sysfan@126.com

[rika]

Hi

You will never know how much I appreciate all these warning. I am a fairly new trader and it is really scary how many fraudsters and scamsters are out there, one has to be ssssssssso careful. Again thank you for the warnings, we have to help each other here, I just received an enquiry from this company.

Rika

[poirot]

A couple more:
http://sjzdingsheng.com.cn
Company: Hebei Dingsheng Import & Export Trade Co., Ltd.
Phone: 0086 3122266084
Fax:
0086 31180930519
Address: 163# Heping Xi Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei, China
Post Code: 050000
Email: dingsheng_2003@163.com
Website: http://www.sjzdingsheng.com.cn

http://wuzhoutrading.com.cn
HEBEI WUZHOU IMP. & EXP. CO., LTD.
Address: 68# Lianmeng Road, Shijiazhuang, Hebei Province,China
Tel: 0086-311-66152985
Fax: 0086-21-61294039
E-mail: wuzhou_trading@163.com
QQ: 1069104896
Skype: wuzhoutrading

[poirot]

Yet another one
http://www.hbjyl.com
Hebei Langfang Jinyilong Commerce Co.,Ltd.
Tel 0086-316-8137563
Fax 0086-316-8137563
Mobilephone: 0086-13473668051
Web http://www.hbjyl.com
Add Langfang City, Hebei New Century Street, Second Street, walk
Zip 065000

[nihan]

Here's the latest:

Dear Poirot

I get a Mail to the Springfield Impex Co., ltd they are Interested in our Company Product which is $600000 Contract and they want to Invite in China for Signing the Contract they sent us a Invitation Latter but i am in Doubt coz if the BUYER realy Interested to Give a Big order so Buyer want to Interested to the MANUFACTURER company so kindly advices this company if ok or not .

Here is the Details......
http://springfieldimpex.com
Springfield Impex Co., Ltd
TEL: +86-773-3959603
867733959603 - 7733959603
info@springfieldimpex.com

Nihan (India)

[poirot]

Indications are that it's a scam judging from the paragraph I quoted above, and also from one of their message (posted here) (http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/showthread.php?p=77843) sent to a prospect less than a month after the registration of their domain.

[hollyatl]

Yet another one

I received a very large order from the above company. We have never done any overseas shipping so I am a little nervous to begin with. Have you had any other posts on this company? Do you think it is fraudulant?